EVE New Citizens Q&A

I don't really do much of either of those, but the way people zerg to ice belts when they spawn seems to indicate they have value. Here are some calculators that seem pretty reliable. Fuzzworks is pretty awesome.

https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ore/
https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ore/ice.html

IIRC Ore mining out earns ice mining by a fair margin. http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore is a nice site that gives you an idea of what ores to target.

Personally when I mined in hi-sec I usually went for out of the way systems. Where local was quiet or I knew the residents. In all the years I did hi-sec mining I only got ganked 3 times...all by the same people who was probably upset they couldn't dunk my hulks.

That said when mining, I usually advise against a survey scanner and just use it the slot for extra tank. You should go with a buffer tank over active tank and focus against kin/them. Don't be afraid to use deadspace shield amplifiers. They're passive resist and pretty cheap considering the price of an exhumer hull.

Don't confuse people rubbing it in your face with it actually being more popular than ever. It has always been a big thing.

You have to understand that your situational awareness is not anywhere near where it is now. So no offence but you can't claim it was less then, than it is now because your understanding of the game and awareness of the danger in general is much different, add in the CODE. propaganda factor and it just seems like there is more ganking going on. Unfortunately running the numbers according to the killboard can't work because of many factors, but the big one is that it now takes considerably more firepower to kill things. Fact of the matter is, without an official report from CCP we are both just speculating. The last official report said it was down, granted that was a while ago now.

Thank you all for your input much appriciated

I looked through my mails earlier today and remember seeing one about hulkageddon. given the debate in this thread I figured it was worth looking when that was sent.

Hulkageddon II (3B isk prize!)
From: Helicity Boson
Sent: 2009.12.20 14:23

I must admit I don't really remember miner ganking being a thing before the first hulkageddon. that said can baiting was all over the place, people trying to trick miners into getting a timer so they could shoot at em. and a few people trying to bait can flippers in pvp fit barges. Maybe a few people doing ganks for laughs, but over all most were trying to can bait and not straight up gank. I did join in for a few in late 2008 according to battleclinic. Possibly the first hulkageddon? More recently the destroyer buffs certainly made it far more accessible, especially for the period between the destroyer buffs and before the mining barge HP buffs. Then CODE. made something of a business out of it. I thought it was funny once in a while when it wasn't really a thing, now that it is a thing, well its boring. And these days I like miners, they make my ships cheaper!

Your character was made in 2013. The time frame that I am talking about exists long before that. So unless you were playing back then on a different character I would not expect you to understand.


DMC is exactly right on here. I could not have said it better myself. For high sec miners who have been around a while there is most certainly a before and after Hulkaggedon. If you minned back then and now you'd know it and Lyod and I would not be having this conversation because he would know as well.

Again I say I was in a large mining corp that mined within about 3 or 4 jumps of Osmon, which currently is probably the busiest non-hub system in game. We had large mining Ops once per week and had at least a handful of hulks mining together at pretty much any day during US TZ prime time.

People tried to can flip us yes that mechanic happened but even that only happened in the busier systems.

Fastforward to post Hulkaggedon and we all had to start minning solo because literally every single time we had a minning Op we would get war deced within 24 hours. We tried moving around and going to less busy systems we tried everything but we literally could no longer run high sec mining Ops. At that point we started solo mining which meant gone was the Orca boosts and having fleet haulers an such that in and of it's self is a huge defacto mining nerf right there.

So once we started solo mining it wasn't that much longer that hearing people in corp chat coming back from a pee break to have their pod floating in a asteroid belt next to some concord spawns became a regular occurrence.

The change to the life of high sec miners before and after Hulkaggedon is so extreme that is you have played on both sides of it you would not debate otherwise.

Keep in mind I'm not complaining. The total annihilation of large high sec mining corp and mining op lifestyle is what got me to move to null sec. I am definitely happier in null sec and glad things turned out as they did. I no longer mine but not because I can't mine in null sec it's just that running anoms is far more profitable and before the loot and reprocessing nerfs I could actually get more minerals mining with my guns.

Anyway back to the Op and his post, depending on how long he's been gone from the game noting the changes to the high sec miners lifestyle was definitely valid. I was not speculating but speaking from personal experience.

Ty again stepped into a procurer yesterday and mine scordite. Give me a nice safe basic income to fund my weekend fun.

Ganking miners changed a few years back.

Previously it was an accessible activity anyone could do solo, and few people did in an organized fashion. Occasionally major Hulk producers and/or Technetium producers (Hulks were 35% Tech back then) would sponsor gank festivals as money spinners.

Then along came the sharp nerfs to ganking, and those made a degree of professionalization of ganking necessary to pull it off. Hence the formation of CODE.

^ This.

I've played EVE since early 2007 (on another character back then) and mining was something i did A LOT.

Nowdays ganking miners is a much bigger problem than before, with CODE. running around shooting ppl (and other entities that do this).

Back then I never had a tank fitted mining ship, never had any need for it. Now, I would not leave a station without the best tank i could fit onto my mining ships.

This is just a thing for returning and new miners to keep in mind ...