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L4 in passive gila?

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Forum Toon
Doomheim
#41 - 2015-11-17 16:06:18 UTC
ok I'm not a pro but this is really weird.

I flew in the past many types of ships in L4s (loads of T1 BS from various races), Legion, Faction BS and some BC.

Not single ship had such a massive tank, vesitlity (means it can handle any enemy size and any damage profile + most Ewar) and damage like this Gila.

I chew BS like they are nothing, I ignore anything smaller then BS as nuisance.....
Also did Reacon L4 vs guristas earlier...
1 of 3 missions on first pocket..... at some point (i killed all the small ships first and left the BS for last as they never hit me anyway...) I was vs 5 Battleships (those stronger versions ones with the 1.2 bounty).

I really can't wait to try something with mass of ships like blockade or something like that.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#42 - 2015-11-17 19:51:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
You're going to be losing a low slot and CPU in December, so it won't be quite as op.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Forum Toon
Doomheim
#43 - 2015-11-17 20:05:19 UTC
my 4th low slot have power diagnostic unit from the days I had lower skills and less cap to run stable with all hardeners and AB running.

I can toss it without regrets.

still I'm finding myself letting drones go on aggressive killing everything while I read a book or something... this is really much more easier then BS on L4s so far. and much more fun.
Z'ko
Doomheim
#44 - 2015-11-17 20:21:08 UTC
Drake used to be that. Well tanky.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2015-11-17 22:50:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Daniela Doran wrote:


Your Gila has been targeted by CCP's nerf bat.......


Indeed, next month, though its basically just losing one low slot (you will probably recover most of the small CPU nerf back when you drop the low slot mod).

Forum Toon wrote:
my 4th low slot have power diagnostic unit from the days I had lower skills and less cap to run stable with all hardeners and AB running.

I can toss it without regrets.

still I'm finding myself letting drones go on aggressive killing everything while I read a book or something... this is really much more easier then BS on L4s so far. and much more fun.


MJD Snake does that with FoF and Sentries on aggressive.

Some people build Brawler/RHML Rattlesnakes with FoF and get it to follow a Gecko around but when I experimented with this the Gecko left the Rattler behind and got itself in trouble. It would work for missions where all the targets are in brawl range of warp in, you may even be able to remote rep the Gecko, no idea.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#46 - 2015-11-18 02:01:14 UTC
Geckos always get themselves into trouble...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#47 - 2015-11-18 15:49:21 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
Drones do ~600 dps @ 60km

This is oth false and it is true.
False - medium drones are not capable of shooting 60km so at that range they have 0(zero) dps.

True - yes they can go oout 60km and yes once they get there they can do 600dps. The real issue is the travel time for them to get there and while that does not decrease the paper dps it does significantly reduce the effective dps.

My suggestion as you skill towards the Rattle is to fly a Raven or Navy Raven. ALL of the skills you train for them are needed for the Rattle, and both of them can be better Lvl 4 mission ships than the Gila.

The GIla can and does work for level 4's however they are not the best options even as a stop gap between now and the Rattle.
The only thing that would alter this is ISK or more appropriately a lack of ISK to buy and fit a Raven or Navy Raven if you already on the Gila.

In the end BS and Marauders are the go to ships for level 4 missions for some very solid reasons, mainly that the weapons range and dps output capabilities make them more effective and therefore faster to complete missions than the smaller, faster and more agile ships like the Gila.

A side note to speed. If completing lvl 4 missions as quickly as possible (blitzing) is what you want then forget the Rattle and skill for the Machariel.
Forum Toon
Doomheim
#48 - 2015-11-18 23:02:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Forum Toon
well just did storyline called Crowd control vs gallente.
they had in there LOADS of cruisers \ BC and BS.
didn't made a scratch on my shields... usual trick of kill the small ones first then annihilate all battleships.


EDIT:
L4 Angels extravaganza/
easiest thing ever.
almost 90% resist on kinetic and explosive.
frigs were 1 shot killed by drones and everything else melted.
Yolli Sly
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2015-11-20 15:04:25 UTC
Forum Toon wrote:
well just did storyline called Crowd control vs gallente.
they had in there LOADS of cruisers \ BC and BS.
didn't made a scratch on my shields... usual trick of kill the small ones first then annihilate all battleships.


EDIT:
L4 Angels extravaganza/
easiest thing ever.
almost 90% resist on kinetic and explosive.
frigs were 1 shot killed by drones and everything else melted.


Just beware not to get webbed. If you keep moving you in safe.
Drop MTU or choose wreck, orbit at 5 km and live your drones to do their work. Menage them, because they tend to choose the most distant next target. Kill all frigates first, even they are triggers.
Only mission in which you are in danger is "World Collide" - Gurista part, because there are too many webbing frigates.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#50 - 2015-11-20 15:49:01 UTC
Yolli Sly wrote:
Forum Toon wrote:
well just did storyline called Crowd control vs gallente.
they had in there LOADS of cruisers \ BC and BS.
didn't made a scratch on my shields... usual trick of kill the small ones first then annihilate all battleships.


EDIT:
L4 Angels extravaganza/
easiest thing ever.
almost 90% resist on kinetic and explosive.
frigs were 1 shot killed by drones and everything else melted.


Just beware not to get webbed. If you keep moving you in safe.
Drop MTU or choose wreck, orbit at 5 km and live your drones to do their work. Menage them, because they tend to choose the most distant next target. Kill all frigates first, even they are triggers.
Only mission in which you are in danger is "World Collide" - Gurista part, because there are too many webbing frigates.


Pfft. Just take along a mobile depot and some warp stabs, or a mobile jump drive.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#51 - 2015-11-20 17:45:38 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Geckos always get themselves into trouble...


Which is why I Gecko Tank.

Probably shouldn't have said that in public, now CCP might real what Gecko + Rattlesnake Drone EHP bonuses + Drone Durability Rigs ends you up with Twisted
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#52 - 2015-11-20 18:20:55 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Geckos always get themselves into trouble...


Which is why I Gecko Tank.

Probably shouldn't have said that in public, now CCP might real what Gecko + Rattlesnake Drone EHP bonuses + Drone Durability Rigs ends you up with Twisted

I was playing around with a navy drone + drone HP rig gila in EFT.... didn't even think to look at a rattler with a gecko Shocked

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#53 - 2015-11-20 18:35:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Geckos always get themselves into trouble...


Which is why I Gecko Tank.

Probably shouldn't have said that in public, now CCP might real what Gecko + Rattlesnake Drone EHP bonuses + Drone Durability Rigs ends you up with Twisted

I was playing around with a navy drone + drone HP rig gila in EFT.... didn't even think to look at a rattler with a gecko Shocked


I've actually used the fit I'm about to link. Cap stable with everything but the remote rep on, the Gecko is still faster, but I wouldn't need to remote rep it much before everything in the room was dead. It cleared rooms almost TOO fast. The pilot also have a cpu implant and a partial mid grade crystal set. It even has a nice cap stable tank and 100k+ ehp.

MWD always on and 'snake set to approach the gecko means i'm never out of rep range long.

[Rattlesnake, GECKOTANKER]
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Core X-Type 500MN Microwarpdrive
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Large S95a Remote Shield Booster
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile

Large Drone Durability Enhancer II
Large Drone Durability Enhancer I
Large Drone Durability Enhancer I

Gecko x2
Gecko x1


11k on them drone shields. i got Battlecruisers with smaller shields :)
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#54 - 2015-11-20 18:37:11 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Geckos always get themselves into trouble...


Which is why I Gecko Tank.

Probably shouldn't have said that in public, now CCP might real what Gecko + Rattlesnake Drone EHP bonuses + Drone Durability Rigs ends you up with Twisted

I was playing around with a navy drone + drone HP rig gila in EFT.... didn't even think to look at a rattler with a gecko Shocked


Damn, about 37k HP for the Gecko when you use 2 T2 Drone Durability Enhancer Rig. It is basically like deploying a T2 cruiser.
Paranoid Loyd
#55 - 2015-11-20 18:44:23 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
11k on them drone shields. i got Battlecruisers with smaller shields :)
Osmium says 12.5K.
That is hilarious. You have more raw HPs on your Geckos than your Rattlesnake. Lol

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#56 - 2015-11-20 18:51:08 UTC
"Gecko Tanking" Trademark Jenn aSide industries 2015, everytime you use the fit you gotta send me 0.1 isk, it's the law Big smile
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#57 - 2015-11-20 19:08:26 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
"Gecko Tanking" Trademark Jenn aSide industries 2015, everytime you use the fit you gotta send me 0.1 isk, it's the law Big smile


Only if you can enforce it! P
Forum Toon
Doomheim
#58 - 2015-11-20 21:52:02 UTC
for worlds collide just use the RLML for the frigs it ain't that hard.

Also I was surprised at how good the medium drones were vs the spider drones.

At any rate this L4 in gila is way too easy I think I'll convert myself to exploration and try to see how far into null sec I can get without dying...
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