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Communication and Travel Schemes as Scientist and Industrialist.

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Gadolf Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-11-12 02:30:39 UTC
I heard from EVE University which offers courses through mumble, although I could not reach them while logged in...
Even though I was offered to join a corp in an Alliance who had a deal with EVE Uni for courses...
Which also didn't work...

That, for business, and science (+industry)
that
it was important to:
1. not go out of station for the manufacturer and researchers
(possibly to avoid losing blueprints)
2. not accept invite to private conversation since they would distract from the indy, business or science work.

In other words,
not only does it compromise the business, indy hauling, or science, manufacturing, researching, or other (inventing),
but it also increases vulnerability.
That is also why I have to use alts to post on the forums.

Furthermore,
I also make new pilot, and train them, who are more and more anonymous,
secretive, and I use the more public ones to tract the attacks sources.

I also managed to find links between supposed enemies, who often only have a few differences, which can be exploited, although it is very unlikely to succeed since their mutual goal turns to spy on me.

Nonetheless, any large wars of tens of thousands of dollars worth can be a good source of income for traders.

Regardless, there is no doubt that , the same goal that fuel the wars are supported by traders.
So, to rebuild the structures, with the designers changes integrated in the business costs,
is necessary due to war damage and collateral damage.


Once the structures are rebuilt, not from PvP, most likely, then the potential for income from wars will raise again.
Off those players who log in less, I wonder if those are not the PvP players, or new players and so on.
And that does include additional accounts of the same players that do not log in anymore, or who do not log in in multi-client.


I was told it was not worth it (to invest in manufacturing) and so I conclude that I could make more from trading, even if I have to sell or resell manufacturing products.


Nonetheless, I will test it and compare ratios of return on investment, forecasted and effective from budget trackings (ROI).
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#2 - 2015-11-12 04:54:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
There are two things in EVE more valuable than any amount of ISK:

1. Friendship.
2. Trust.

There are two people in EVE that I trust completely. I've never met one of them in person, and him trusting me is a far far bigger risk than I trusting him, and I recently started playing another MMO with him and his wife. The other person loaned me 20 billion ISK, which I've just repaid after a rather long dry spell (several months) of not being profitable.

I've been an EVE industrialist for over 6 years now. It doesn't have to be as grim of a picture as you paint. There are some good people in EVE, though admittedly the trick is in finding them.

As for the rest of EVE, using common sense and not taking silly risks minimizes the threat they pose.

I've been an industrialist over 6 years now. My POS has never been attacked, though it twice had legitimate threats against it (despite countless wardecs from others), and I made friends with one of those groups. My freighter has been bumped, and my blockade runner has been one-volleyed.

I've never suffered a loss that I didn't deserve, because they can always be prevented.
Hochopepa
Creative Research and Production Services
#3 - 2015-11-12 14:00:31 UTC
Some of the best friends I now have in real life are friends that I have made while laying EVE. I can promise and attest to you that, if you decide to take this road, you're going to be quite lonely.
Gadolf Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-11-12 17:15:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Gadolf Agalder
Tau Cabalander wrote:
There are two things in EVE more valuable than any amount of ISK:

1. Friendship.
2. Trust.

There are two people in EVE that I trust completely. I've never met one of them in person, and him trusting me is a far far bigger risk than I trusting him, and I recently started playing another MMO with him and his wife. The other person loaned me 20 billion ISK, which I've just repaid after a rather long dry spell (several months) of not being profitable.

I've been an EVE industrialist for over 6 years now. It doesn't have to be as grim of a picture as you paint. There are some good people in EVE, though admittedly the trick is in finding them.

As for the rest of EVE, using common sense and not taking silly risks minimizes the threat they pose.

I've been an industrialist over 6 years now. My POS has never been attacked, though it twice had legitimate threats against it (despite countless wardecs from others), and I made friends with one of those groups. My freighter has been bumped, and my blockade runner has been one-volleyed.

I've never suffered a loss that I didn't deserve, because they can always be prevented.

I had losses which could not be prevented, depending, and many of my blockade runners were one-volleyed.
I have been chased by the largest pirate groups in the game, and I'm being hunted by mercenaries and corporations alike, most likely all paid for by other EVE Business related pilots.
My best friends in EVE cannot understand my needs and the delays caused because they also suffer the same obligations from other players and delays on their end.
Their association with groups of players are not the same, and they are also affected by the same conditions.
It is why we are not together anymore.

Also, as for trust, you can also trust your enemies, in the sense that you can trust them to attack you when certain conditions are met.

I also do programming , which , oddly enough, is affected if I get threats of bans.
Even if those threats are for wrongful bans and so on.

Not accepting other players invite or telecom request when not increasing friendly ISK income which help alleviate costs is a trustworthy method to avoid bankruptcy and keep my activity solvent and effective.

There are many reasons why it is better not to fall prey to attempt to spy on me and to give away my positions and allow other business players in EVE to get income from my loot because I would fall prey to trusting my info to someone else before they do.


Hochopepa wrote:
Some of the best friends I now have in real life are friends that I have made while laying EVE. I can promise and attest to you that, if you decide to take this road, you're going to be quite lonely.


I am quite lonely, and I do pay a programmer, but even him couldn`t confirm how much he needs to code the programs that I need.
I am in fact working on 2 programming projects at this time.
I also try to get new players to the game, including DUST 514 and EVE Valkyrie.

Again, the definition of lonely needs to be defined more specifically because it can too easily be led to misinterpretation.
For instance, I have been single for over 30 years, even though I am engaged for 4.5 years now.
So, I was even more lonely in the past.

I use the market trading tools for posting offers and buying from others more, and so , more communications with other players and NPCs are increasing that way.
It will lead to more competition not less.
And it will require more discretion.


Edit:
Oddly enough, the 2 programs are:
1st, an evaluation program , which includes ROI and the value of friendship and the value of trust.
Any other value is possible to integrate , including the value of money, because, it is an evaluation program designed to evaluate.
It is designed to compare values, and to compare values in relation to related factors associated with those values.

2nd, a new program or programs, for trading, and yes, including market contracts offer reviews, as well as Bazaar values and Sell Orders Values and the Wanted section of the forums values.
This will include reviews of some other website offers for trade routes, and station trading orders modification.
How to actually conduct those successfully , where the commands are, and so on.
I found it to hard to get started and the dynamics involved on my end are in another scope than other players met.
Even new players have it easier than me when I started compared to older players one shot me at 150km before.


Additionally, I am now working on a 3rd new program, starting as of this posting,
in regards to:
I think perhaps , structure management , and then later to sovereignty management , and sov planning , including defense costs,
takeover costs, potential profit calculation, potential spoils of war calculation, and so on...

I also plan to make publishing about how to make programs , and how to encode or make subprograms re-usable.

Do I think that it is feasible?
I don't think so, because I think that the system will fail before I am able to implement those schemes.
I will however record the failure if and when it does fail.
I have many reasons why I think so and 20 years of experience.


As for your freighter being bumped, I am pretty sure I want to pay an escort to fly my freighter for the first time.
The escort costs more than the Freighter costs and value, so the cargo has to be worth even more.
I do have a webber to speed up my freighter, however, it will not prevent freighter bumping from being successful.
In other words, I could not destroy or stop competition or prevent them from interfering against my goals or to prevent them from denying me control of my ships with the current webbers that I own.

I do fly my own fleets of 2 to 4 ships , and they are hard to manage and slow to reacts, even with drones on auto and so on.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2015-11-19 00:33:02 UTC
sort-of related ...

A friend-in-eve has recently started using courier services for their hisec freighter work, and they're very happy with the cost-effectiveness of that. They're a low-level / occasional industrialist and just got so frustrated at the ganking and effort to evade that they changed their operations completely.

Me, I still run my own freighters and jump freighters all over the cosmos but often find myself thinking "WTF?" as the freighter spends a seeming half hour warping across a system.

Valuable small loads in Jita? I pop them into a freighter, undock from 04 04 CNAP, and instawarp to several thousand km Then I dock at another station and swap to a blockade runner, covops frigate, or interceptor for the rest of the trip. Where practicable I also swap characters, assuming that the freighter was scanned and so my character 'tagged' as carrying a valuable load.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

Gadolf Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-11-19 02:16:49 UTC
Substantia Nigra wrote:
sort-of related ...

A friend-in-eve has recently started using courier services for their hisec freighter work, and they're very happy with the cost-effectiveness of that. They're a low-level / occasional industrialist and just got so frustrated at the ganking and effort to evade that they changed their operations completely.

Me, I still run my own freighters and jump freighters all over the cosmos but often find myself thinking "WTF?" as the freighter spends a seeming half hour warping across a system.

Valuable small loads in Jita? I pop them into a freighter, undock from 04 04 CNAP, and instawarp to several thousand km Then I dock at another station and swap to a blockade runner, covops frigate, or interceptor for the rest of the trip. Where practicable I also swap characters, assuming that the freighter was scanned and so my character 'tagged' as carrying a valuable load.

That is for the indy part.
There is no way I could pull that without back-ups, scout, etc.
I never flown or bought a freighter yet.
I have a hauler that can do it however.
The biggest hauling ship I have is an Orca, and I possibly never flown it.
Even the sheer cost of it makes it worthless for me to fly.
I would only fly it with a huge escort , which escort cost makes the value gained from the extra cargo space , or even mining bonus, all but negative.

Sure I could fly it 80% to 90% of the time (if not 99.9%, including jumps) without losing it, but 0.1% still negates profit.
It wil be worth it for me when the profit is greater than the cost (0.01%).
I bet the price will go up by then, or that other changes occur, to make the profit required greater than the 0.01% cost.
With courier hauling, I lose 0.00% and can only gain as long as I calculate my numbers correctly.
War affects profit because haulers who know they'll be target and risk their ship + collateral will increase the hauling cost and lower profit.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2015-11-20 00:38:44 UTC
as you wish. good luck with all that.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.