EVE New Citizens Q&A

Hey, so I am fairly new and have done really nothing but missions so far. Needless to say, they are getting extremely boring. I had a chance to get in a fight yesterday, so instead of running away like I used to, I decided to engage and see what happened. Needless to say I lost (no surprise, since I have zero experience in PvP in this game).

My question is this: the guy drained all my capacitor, but I had an ancillary armor repair unit instead of the normal one. It wouldn't let me activate the repper, even though I had nanite paste. I thought those used nanite paste instead of capacitor, or am I missing something?

I have plenty of ISK saved up from running missions for a few months. Is the fit I was using decent if I want to buy a dozen and start to learn how to fight? I got it from this youtube video (the one that motivated me to try EVE) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvOB4KXYk-o

https://zkillboard.com/kill/50241352/

Ok, thanks...I had a timer for blowing up an MTU, saw him approaching me from about 40k out. I looked up what a tristan was and figured since we were both in frigates I would have a chance.

Is there a website/webpage that can help me learn what I have a shot at beating? I can really only fly amarr ships right now. Is an executioner a good choice to start?

Check this out, it is a little old but still has plenty of good info. With the constantly changing meta, it is hard to keep documentation up to date. Not only that, "opinions are like assholes..." so it's really best to form your own. It doesn't however hurt to find a group of like minded pilots and learn from them. Further, convoing your killer after the fight is probably how I learned the most. Just be cool about it and most people are more than willing to help even if they did just hand your ass to you in glorious battle.

Heh, apparently ass is no longer profanity

tormentor is probably the best t1 amarr frig for many of the frigate brawls that happen in lowsec, can fit beams and scram kite rather well. Beams and scram range are almost the same. Does more damage and reps more than the executioner. the executioner is interesting but a little different. Although it is nice and freaking fast! Personally I think I'd use it more for a gang tackle role. being able to use a long point at almost no cap is very useful.

another useful thing to remember is when you have someone crashing range they almost always want to be in close, so that gives you incentive to scram/web them and try to stay at range. Small neuts have rather short range and you should be able to stay outside that range and hold a scram, with a scram/web/afterburner fit. One of the things that makes the Eve is easy exe good is the MWD but he usually roams in nullsec from what I've seen, so he scrams+webs the target and can still range control as most null fits won't have an AB. in empire ab/scram/web setups are far more common, and not having one of those fit can cost you at worst a fight or at least a kill as the target burns out of scram range.

Looking at the KB of your attacker he lost a tristan that had an ab, scram, and cap injector. you had mwd, scram, web. off the top of my head I don't know which one is faster. but that is just one detail that could have changed the outcome of the fight.

first up, welcome to the wonderful world of PvP and good on you for having a crack. Buying a dozen ships and welping them is a great way to learn what you can and can't do. Frigates are definitely the way to go as they're cheap, unlike T3 dessies (I looked up your killboards).

I'd suggest you look for a PvP focused corporation to join rather than your one-man-band Soup Kitchen (nice name BTW).

The fit looks OK, although filling that last rig slot would also be advantageous. Perhaps drop the collision accelerator and replace with, I dunno, 2x Transverse Bulkheads?

Be aware that Tristans are pretty gosh darn powerful in the current meta and Neut Tristans really wreck capacitor hungry Amarr frigate's days.

You have three slots on your account. Create an alt and have him hold the corp if you want to change it up and not lose the name.
I have mixed feeling about this. Yes it is good to specialize so that you can be really good at one thing, on the other hand you are pigeon holeing yourself and don't experience the vast array of things to do in the game before you start forming your opinions and getting in a rut. I usually lean towards try everything on your first character and then when you have a good idea of direction either keep training your current toon or start a new one that is specifically focused.

There is no right or wrong way to play this game. You can make anything work. The specialization that is pushed in other games in not needed here. That does not mean that you can't do it or that it is a bad idea to do so it's just something that would be less than ideal for the majority of people's playstyles or at least that is my opinion on it.

That being said small ships and weapons train much faster than medium and a lot more quickly than large. Also the support skills are the same for all ship sizes. Also worth noting that each level of a skill trains at 5 times the previous skill and each level of multiplier adds that many times more training. So higher level skills get exponentially longer to train.

So one thing that I recommend and seems to work for most players is to focus on small ships and work on your generic support skills early on. Then go bigger ( if you playstyle would benefit from it ) once you can fit T2 mods for most of the mods that you use regularly.

I tend to believe that options are far better than specialization in this game and tend to recommend that most new players train up all three racial frigate skills to 3 or 4 as well as the associated weapons skills. Then figure out which ships you fly the most and focus on skills that benefit your preferred playstyle the most. Keeping in mind that a 10 hour training time on a skill that you use sometimes is probably better than an 8 day skill that you use all the time

Of course it's all subjective and in the end you'll have to decide for yourself but that is why I recommend branching out so that you can see more stuff to decide from.

One more thing worth noting. To get good at this game you need personal skill and knowledge not skill points. To be good at PvP requires knowing the other ships and what their capabilities are and how they are typically fit and how they are typically flown. There probably is not a better way to learn that than to actually fly them yourself. So the experience that you gain from flying all four races will likely be more efficacious at helping you get more wins than getting "all level 5" at one ship.

Again this is all subjective so you need to make your own call on this.

The key thing to remember is there is no SP cap.

For exampl in other games if you train levels of "rogue" right now you can never ever maximise "wizard" later because there is a cap on how much XP/levels you can train and you "wasted" some on rogue.

In EVE it makes no difference what you train now as you can go back and maximize something else later at any time. There is no training cap.

This means specializing will only give your character a temporary advantage. It makes you better right now at that one thing you are focusing on. It does not make your character better long-term, as you will always be free to go back and "specialize" at any time you want.

Welcome to EVE. This is why we play.

The reason the bittervets tell rookies to specialize, is because early-on if they don't, they get bored to tears quickly and quit.

If you have gone beyond being completely frustrated to the point of quitting, then yes, explore other options. Just don't dive-in head-first. Stick a toe in (train stuff to level 2 or 3 max, which takes about an hour), and see if you like the water.

Example (this is only an example):

With default attributes and no implants, i.e. the following can be trained in less time:
* Time to train all turrets and support skills to level 3: 11d 22h 1m 14s
* Time to train all missiles and support skills to level 3: 12d 22h 58m 20s
* Time to train all sub-capital ships to level 3: 17d 12h 41m 50s
Of course you'll want other skills for drones, tanking, rigs, etc., but this is all it takes to be reasonably useful in every T1 or faction ship.

When training, ask yourself, "Will another skill benefit me more NOW than this one?"

Only train level 5 if:
* It is a skill you personally consider indispensable.
* It is a prerequisite for something you really want, and will affect your current gameplay (not future gameplay).
* You want to specialize, at the price of less versatility.
* You have nothing else to train.

Example: I trained Launcher Rigging 5 for a fit that I really wanted to use. It is the only rigging skill I have at level 5. I won't bother to train the others until I need them, or run-out of other more important skills to train. Oh, and I no longer use that fit.

I don't find any skill I want, or need, and am ready for, to be too long to train. If you do, that's a hint you shouldn't be training it yet.