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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#61 - 2015-11-18 21:20:44 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
How often did the Empress put herself on the front lines in the 'warzone'?


Once was enough.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Arrendis
TK Corp
#62 - 2015-11-18 21:22:42 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
How often did the Empress put herself on the front lines in the 'warzone'?


Once was enough.


She wasn't Empress when she opposed the Elder Fleet, and she wasn't on the front lines in the lowsec warzone when the Drifters destroyed TES Seraph.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#63 - 2015-11-19 03:47:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Vikarion wrote:

How interesting. I certainly would like to know who these unnamed Caldari loyalists whom you work with are. Last I checked, you have denounced everyone from I-RED, to Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd., to PYRE, to independent loyalist pilots. But this is, of course, of little interest, because I don't mind you having friends, seeing as none of them appear to be as...on uneasy ground with relation to reality...as yourself.

Oh, maybe because I-RED was making allies with Federal militia and fighting against Caldari loyalists?
Maybe because Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. is run by a dishonored lying scammer?
And maybe because Pyre... Ergh, well. Who now doesn't know about Pyre?

You are funny. Truly you show your lack of understanding of loyalty and Caldari people, collecting all the scum and trying to put them under Caldari label. Well, maybe you will feel better yourself with other scum, but I will prefer to stay with loyal Caldari.

Have you heard about the Bloc, about Hecon, about Templis?.. You can keep barking with spitting around yourself, but you will never understand the State and Caldari people, until you will learn to shut up, listen and look around.

Vikarion wrote:

I must admit, I had no idea that living in Origin was "forsaking my State citizenship". Certainly, there's no rule or law in the State that requires on not to live in a wormhole. Perhaps this is only the rule of Diana Kim, and functions as the announcement of her ambition to be the next State Executor? Perhaps.

Because you are working not on the State, not for the State aligned corporation and not even on corporation allied to ally of the State...
You are working on an outworld semi-criminal organization ran by a couple of demented minmatar. Probably indeed a best place for you to keep such rotten elements outside of State borders. Good luck, or whatever.

Vikarion wrote:

But I won't accuse you of treason, because you were just wrong. As you are still wrong. As you will probably, in your stubborness and blindness to reason, continue to be wrong.

An outworld dismerited scum yelping at Caldari officer that she is wrong?
How cute.

Vikarion wrote:

This is the probably the last time I will address your claims to this matter seriously, as an equal. Do it again, and I will engage you on your level of conversation, rather than my own.

How dare you assume a Caldari officer to be an equal with a low life creature like you?! You are disgusting and repugnant trash of society. I don't consider you equal and I wipe soles of my jackboots on your kind.

You are a trash that has appeared here just to lie about me on public, claiming lie that "Miss Kim has denounced, I believe, every single Caldari loyalist". Now please be so kind to SHUT UP and know your place in your tiny wormhole with your insignificant Origin buddies.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#64 - 2015-11-19 10:40:17 UTC
I do not think that the Empress or any empire leader in New Eden has actually the time to devote to what their commanders are paid to do...

We are not speaking about capsuleer warbands in nullsec...
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#65 - 2015-11-19 11:04:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Utari Onzo
Lyn Farel wrote:
I do not think that the Empress or any empire leader in New Eden has actually the time to devote to what their commanders are paid to do...

We are not speaking about capsuleer warbands in nullsec...

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Infact I did a cursary search on Goonswarm's own CEO, and found his combat record rather barren. That's not to say he's not busy, just like any leader, he allows his Commanders to do the fighting while he does the organising.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Cain Aloga
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#66 - 2015-11-19 14:51:19 UTC
How many of the empires leaders have actual combat experiance? The Sanmatar is one, and I'm not sure of the Gallantean President.

While our warriors fight for our people's freedom, we in turn should fight for our people's prosperity.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#67 - 2015-11-19 15:23:42 UTC
Tibus Heth was participating himself in ground combat on Caldari Prime when he was de-facto leader of the whole state. He was fighting among regular soldier just like one of regular soldiers.

And even if he has fallen two years ago, his spirit will live with us forever. He was and still our "empire" leader, as we don't have a leader after him.

Besides that he was participating in combat operations before he became Executor. He was the real Hero and Patriot.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#68 - 2015-11-19 15:47:33 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
I do not think that the Empress or any empire leader in New Eden has actually the time to devote to what their commanders are paid to do...

We are not speaking about capsuleer warbands in nullsec...

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Infact I did a cursary search on Goonswarm's own CEO, and found his combat record rather barren. That's not to say he's not busy, just like any leader, he allows his Commanders to do the fighting while he does the organising.


And you'll have found that in both our educational campaigns in the last three months, he participated, as has almost all of our Directorate (thus my statement about the Big 8 - it wasn't all about Mittens, you see).

But no, I quite agree, we're not talking about the capsuleer nations in the regions the 'empires' can't control. We're talking about the futile, wasteful, utterly meaningless loss of life in CONCORD-sanctioned 'warzones' that are nothing of the sort. You're not prosecuting a war, Utari... you're gladiators in an arena. You're not there to actually hold that space - neither side's leadership gives a damn about that space. You're there to die for their amusement.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#69 - 2015-11-19 15:57:39 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Utari Onzo wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
I do not think that the Empress or any empire leader in New Eden has actually the time to devote to what their commanders are paid to do...

We are not speaking about capsuleer warbands in nullsec...

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Infact I did a cursary search on Goonswarm's own CEO, and found his combat record rather barren. That's not to say he's not busy, just like any leader, he allows his Commanders to do the fighting while he does the organising.


And you'll have found that in both our educational campaigns in the last three months, he participated, as has almost all of our Directorate (thus my statement about the Big 8 - it wasn't all about Mittens, you see).

But no, I quite agree, we're not talking about the capsuleer nations in the regions the 'empires' can't control. We're talking about the futile, wasteful, utterly meaningless loss of life in CONCORD-sanctioned 'warzones' that are nothing of the sort. You're not prosecuting a war, Utari... you're gladiators in an arena. You're not there to actually hold that space - neither side's leadership gives a damn about that space. You're there to die for their amusement.


Because of course, the Goons would never kill for amusement.

*cough* Burn Jita *cough*

But what does all of this have to do with the Succession Trials anyway?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Arrendis
TK Corp
#70 - 2015-11-19 16:19:46 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
You're not prosecuting a war, Utari... you're gladiators in an arena. You're not there to actually hold that space - neither side's leadership gives a damn about that space. You're there to die for their amusement.


Because of course, the Goons would never kill for amusement.

*cough* Burn Jita *cough*

But what does all of this have to do with the Succession Trials anyway?


Because, of course, no-one in High-sec would engage in such activities.

*cough*CODE*cough*PIRAT*cough*countless individual gankers in every Empire*cough*

Now, if we're through with the silliness? If you'll look, milord Blake, you'll see that the crux of my argument was the broad categorization of capsuleers in nullsec as all placing no value on human life, and that my point was, in fact, that we have the same percentages of sociopathic bastards as everywhere else - which also means the same percentage of 'not the sociopathic bastards'.

I will say, though, that there is a difference between sociopathic bastards who kill for their own amusement, and pilots who tell themselves they're pursuing a noble endeavour, but are actually simply fighting, killing, and dying for the entertainment of their lords and masters. The latter group is a decidedly better breed of human being - sacrificing for a cause they believe is just.

The former, though, is clearly more willing to be honest with themselves.

As for what all of this has to do with the Succession Trials... welcome to the nature of human discourse? Topics drift. People address the things one another say. Life doesn't fit into neatly segmented little boxes.
Armatas Dahma
#71 - 2015-11-19 19:49:30 UTC
As a native citizen of the Kor-Azor region, I cannot be displeased with the preliminary results of these Succession Trials, and look to God with credence in His plan for our Holy Empire. My sincere respects to the champions of His Highness and Her Grace for their just service. Inspirational.

Yet, it is eerie to watch the exemplars of our people face their quietus, an end of a life sacrificed for but a pale chance to serve God in stewardship of His mortal children. Truly, the faith of the Heirs lifts and emboldens our spirits in these times of trouble. May we together strive to emulate such devotion in the coming days.

This pod pilot operates independently and in accordance with Holy Imperial law. Public comments made above do not reflect the attitudes or beliefs of the Dahma family, Comedahm Apparatus, or Euxif HM.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#72 - 2015-11-20 19:14:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Arrendis wrote:
Utari Onzo wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
I do not think that the Empress or any empire leader in New Eden has actually the time to devote to what their commanders are paid to do...

We are not speaking about capsuleer warbands in nullsec...

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Infact I did a cursary search on Goonswarm's own CEO, and found his combat record rather barren. That's not to say he's not busy, just like any leader, he allows his Commanders to do the fighting while he does the organising.


And you'll have found that in both our educational campaigns in the last three months, he participated, as has almost all of our Directorate (thus my statement about the Big 8 - it wasn't all about Mittens, you see).

But no, I quite agree, we're not talking about the capsuleer nations in the regions the 'empires' can't control. We're talking about the futile, wasteful, utterly meaningless loss of life in CONCORD-sanctioned 'warzones' that are nothing of the sort. You're not prosecuting a war, Utari... you're gladiators in an arena. You're not there to actually hold that space - neither side's leadership gives a damn about that space. You're there to die for their amusement.


What are nullsec warbands actually, mind you, if not gladiators paying CONCORD to hold partial sovereignty over a few chunks of resources available to capsuleers?
Arrendis
TK Corp
#73 - 2015-11-20 19:44:30 UTC
To call us gladiators, Ms. Farel, implies that there is a greater power at whose behest we fight.
Cain Aloga
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#74 - 2015-11-20 19:52:16 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
To call us gladiators, Ms. Farel, implies that there is a greater power at whose behest we fight.


While you may not fight at the behest of some higher power, one could argue that the Null Sec powers serve the empires and benifits them indirectly. Could you imagine if all the residents of Null sec decided to live in empire space and become a political block of their own?

While our warriors fight for our people's freedom, we in turn should fight for our people's prosperity.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#75 - 2015-11-20 19:54:42 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
To call us gladiators, Ms. Farel, implies that there is a greater power at whose behest we fight.


Yes.

CONCORD and the Empire signatories.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#76 - 2015-11-20 20:37:55 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
To call us gladiators, Ms. Farel, implies that there is a greater power at whose behest we fight.


Yes.

CONCORD and the Empire signatories.


Nonsense. The Empires certainly don't direct our conflicts, and CONCORD abhors the sheer level of organization and capability we already possess.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#77 - 2015-11-20 20:39:10 UTC
Cain Aloga wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
To call us gladiators, Ms. Farel, implies that there is a greater power at whose behest we fight.


While you may not fight at the behest of some higher power, one could argue that the Null Sec powers serve the empires and benifits them indirectly. Could you imagine if all the residents of Null sec decided to live in empire space and become a political block of their own?


Yes, I can. We would have far less capacity for self-determination, as well as far less military capability. For one thing, we wouldn't have a few hundred titans of our own.
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#78 - 2015-11-20 20:46:27 UTC
Nobody cares about Goonswarm.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#79 - 2015-11-20 21:37:02 UTC
I can safely say that GSF made me the combat pilot I am today.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#80 - 2015-11-20 23:15:46 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
I can safely say that GSF made me the combat pilot I am today.


And it was always a pleasure flying with you as my anchor. Don't let these guys **** on your past achievements too much.