Ships & Modules

Wanted to point out that your tone of voice in this post makes you sound like a douche.

Besides that, I'm using EFT to generate these charts. So if the line suddenly drops off at the 45km mark, it's got something to do with EFT. I noticed that drop at the 45km as well, and thought it should follow a parabolic curve, since target painters have falloff. But still, it's a minor issue from my perspective, so I didn't think much more about it after I noticed it for the first time.

*edit* did a little googling and found this:

It's not range - it's velocity. Which means you don't have to monitor volleys anywhere near as much (or at all) against longer range targets.


Interesting. I was not aware of that, either (I always assumed falloff worked like it did with weapons).

triple speed means range, and looks you are not so familiar with RHML. especially with caldari RHML, which have awesome rof.
and when each volley is a nps ship, you will monitor.

He means that the range isn't the important part of the bonus that barghest gets, although that is what the bonus also gives. The important part of the bonus is that the increased velocity (that equals increased range yes) means that the volley of missiles hit before the next volley leaves the tubes. This means less wasted volleys or less having to monitor(pay attention to or counting) volleys so long as you're close enough.

This is also why ships with bonussed damage are better than ships with bonussed rof when it comes to Rapid missile launchers for PvE. A good example is the Orthrus and the Caracal. It basically reduces the effect the long reload has on the dps.

On a side note that faction BCUs are especially good when it comes to RHML because they only have better damage bonus than T2s and not an increased ROF.

Fewer wasted volleys, but you're using up way more ammunition since RHML makes up the DPS in rate of fire vs. volley damage for cruise. I still say cruise missiles are a huge win over RHML.

Check the prices for T2 ammo vs faction ammo. T2 ammo pretty cheap. A quick look at eve central T2 scourge fury is less than 400isk each, faction scourge cruise is almsot 4 times that however cruise volley is only slightly more than double that of the heavy missiles.

That means cruise missile costs are actually MORE (almsot double) than that of heavy missiles. You actually save money using HRML over using cruise.

totally wrong, they are excellent and awesome for PVE and PVP.
main disadvantage of RHML is that you need to count your volley's. 35 second reload is nothing due to ability to wreck everything around you

in my experience fury heavy missiles apply very well in most pve settings. Although with cruise the main thing is good application on BS, swapping to faction/precision to take down cruisers isn't the worst thing, not desirable, but if you can plan for it it shouldn't impact you too much.

I'm not sure that fitting CN RHML is the best way to take advantage of a RoF bonus. the dps difference seems tiny (3dps/launcher after reload on a raven), and you lose access to fury missiles.

as for the mass of 1 volley frigs
first off: use your drones when you can.
Second: barg has a huge advantage with its missile velocity bonus as those missiles go 20km/s, and will probably get to the target before the next volley fires. If not imo you picked the wrong target. Can't speak too much to the other ships, at the point you shoot frigs they are probably close enough, although the rof is pretty insane so you very well might need that extra press. And so what a few extra button presses, lots of games where you need to press a button every second or so, and are probably hitting other buttons too.
third: auto-targeting missiles are rather fun in that scenario, CNR with its bonus can volley many frigs with auto-targeting cruise.

Yes and no.

Yes relying on ONLY dps as shown in eft is usually where people go wrong and is where the disdain for 'EFT warriors' comes from. For example they look at Torp and Cruise dps and say that Torps are obviously WAY better because the dps is a lot higher. In that case they're not looking at the application of the damage nor the range or speed of the toprs, etc. A very common mistake.

However I'm looking at all the parts, not just the dps but also the reload, rof, explosion radius, explosion velocity, velocity of the missiles and even cost of the ammunition. All of these things together make up the reality. Some directly influences how fast you kill things and others are quality of life kind of things. If you take all of the components that make up reality into account then EFT = Practice(usually).

When comparing the two hulls (Barghest and Typhoon) in terms of RHML effectiveness both have their advantages. Depends on what you want to use them for. The primary thing going for the Barghest is the missile velocity bonus that is a HUGE quality of life type of thing. The new Missile guidance enhancers also really shine on the Barghest IMHO. Want to train T2 Heavy missiles just so I can fly this:

[Barghest, RHML]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Missile Guidance Enhancer II
Missile Guidance Enhancer II

Republic Fleet Target Painter
Shadow Serpentis 500MN Microwarpdrive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Small Tractor Beam II

Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

A Brawler Fleet Typhoon version would look something like this (You can also do a sentry sniper with range scripts):

[Typhoon Fleet Issue, RHML Brawler]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Reactive Armor Hardener
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Centus C-Type Large Armor Repairer

Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Federation Navy 500MN Microwarpdrive
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II
Small Tractor Beam II

Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Ogre II x5

Target painter Duration: 5 seconds
RHML Duration 2.6 seconds

Also with a missile speed of 22km/s (with two guidance enhancers) so long as the target is within about 55km you wont waste volleys. If it is further you will waste maximum of 1 volley. The volleys are half the wasted damage of a wasted cruise volley and only costs 1/4 the isk.