Ships & Modules

Hey fellow space pilots, I'm here trying to gain some info from you all. This will be a short post but i would like you guys to categorize the 4 main races ships from 1-4 where 1 is the most powerful and 4 being the weakest. If you would like to provide a short explanation that would be helpful but i really just want a general opinion.

And please don't just spam BUFF X!! NERF Y!!

do you want to take into account cross training? both in weapons, tank, and/or pirate ships?

thats a terrible question.


cruisers? depends. fleet cruisers? amarr.
solo cruisers? gallente.
EWAR cruisers? caldari.
fast cruisers? minmatar.
and so on and so on for every single ship class.

IMO the game is really well balanced and each race has their own advantages, there is no 'best' race, only for specific situations.

In my opinion:

You can't really do a blanket statement that says one race is the best.

Each race has some specialized hulls in different hull classes, that make them popular. But over all the "BEST" is subjective.
One of your specifics should be what YOUR end goal is, or your intended use of the information.

Caldari =
Missiles / capless weapons
shield tank
E-war
easy to fly
two weapons systems for one race
seems to be PvE oriented

Gallente =
Drones
great brawler / short range, high DPS



Minmatar =
Capless weapons
speed
utility slots
interchangeable tanks
high skilling requirements
best alpha strike

Amarr =
great tank
focused/limited DPS attribute (EM)
can do drones
can do missiles
neut bonused

Not just the races, but within each ship class, those ships can be fit different for different applications.
Tempest can be fit several ways
Mega can have more tank, or more DPS
Even frigates can be fit for speed, tank, or DPS.
Carriers can rep or fit for solo PvE.


Edit here: If your trying to fit into alliance fleet ops, just ask your CEO what he wants.

the thing is, this is still horribly unspecific, but based on personal preference itd be this:


Frigate - kitey tristans, gallente
Cruiser - mallers/vexors, amarr/gallente
Battlecruiser - prophecy, amarr
Battleship - tempest, minmatar

t1 hulls only

So basically anyone who wants to fly race specific should just quit eve... because 80 % of your ships will have their roll done better by another race.

Gallente Ships best ships, all other races are trash tier. \o/

Im just going to come out and say it. I fly 100% Minmatar. That said i can not for the life of me find out what actually viable role most of our ships are supposed to fit into. I understand volley and know that it is a tactic used in fleets to nullify the effectiveness of enemy logistics. But what else is there?

Disclaimer, I have very limited knowledge and will be going purely off personal feelings, feel free to rip them apart for being bad

I have a feeling when you say what are they best, you kind of mean, what are the easiest?

If so, I personally think that caldari are the easiest for pve (fewer skills to properly tank, missiles are one of the easier weapon systems to understand when you're first starting out, you don't have to worry too much about cap, etc.).

If you mean for pvp, I'm tempted to say either minmatar for projectile weapons (no cap, instant damage, damage selection, high alpha, etc.), or caldari for their ewar (ecm, though it's not as op as it used to be :P ). That said, minmatar ships usually aren't as tanky as the other races, so a small mistake can be amplified. Of course the more tanky ships (amarr and gallente mostly) rely on brawling more heavily and have to be careful choosing their enemy.

But yeah, as others have said it's difficult to just straight up rank what's best and what's worst. Perhaps a better aproach would be to try and figure out what weapon types tend to be "better" (projectiles for ammo selection or hybrid for high dps imho), what type of tank is better (shield for pve and kitey stuff, armor for larger fleets), and what kind of ewar (damps and ecm hands down).

If you are relatively new to PvP then I suggest you poke around New Citizens Q&A for awhile. Lots of good information in there.

There was a newbie who, not too long ago, asked about PvP using Minmatar ships. He got a plethora of advice.
Ah, here it is.

The advice I am going to give you here is this;

A ship by itself won't do much and can't be clearly categorized or quantified (as you are trying to attempt in this thread). It is the fittings that determine what it can do and how it can do it.
Mind you... some ships are better with certain fittings and tactics (as determined by their native stats and bonuses), but almost all ships of all races can be shoehorned in any tactic if you are creative enough.

Some examples;
A Breecher can be fit for brawling OR it can be fit to kite the enemy. The difference will lie in how it is fit.
Fit with Rockets and an Afterburner you can brawl quite effectively. However you will be vulnerable to hostiles that are faster than you. If you fit the Breecher with Light Missiles and a Microwardrive, you can pull and maintain range over other targets... however your damage output might be lacking against more beefy ships.
And either way, you should take advantage of the active tanking bonus on the ship as it increases your staying power... except against targets will high volley strikes.

You can also fly around in a Slasher. It is generally faster than a Breecher and has an added "Role Bonus" that cuts the capacitor needs of Warp Disruptors/Scramblers... making it ideal for running down and "pinning" targets.
The tradeoff is that a Slasher is more flimsy and can't tank as effectively as a Breecher. However, you can compensate by taking advantage of the Slasher's ample mid-slots; fitting a Tracking Disruptor or a Sensor Dampener can afford you better survivability against certain kinds of targets... depending on whether you intend to be at close or long range from your target. Just be mindful that Minmatar ships have smaller than average capacitors and may not be able to run such mods for long (in conjunction with everything else you are trying to run).


Try flying around in small PvP gangs. Listen and watch what they do. When you see their fits, have them explain what each mod is supposed to do.