EVE General Discussion

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Who said we don't. You do know that it takes no time for people running a wormhole to come pouring out it as soon as it pops up. I've personally had an alt in warp to a wormhole with Appetite for Destruction came pouring out of it.

It sounds like you don't have much experience with null sec.




Says who, exactly?




You might want to go back and re-read that, I said nothing of the sort.




This is the same cop out the original incursion communities made before the 1st incursion nerf. They said "it's not about
the isk, it's about the community!" CCP nerfed the isk, the communities died, exposing the lie.

Fixing the awful combat pve imbalances (centered on high sec but also in places like FW, aslthought it's not that bad in FW anymore, it's still pretty unbalanced) this game has isn't about increasing or decreasing imaginary money in someone's wallet, it';s about fixing a part of the game that is broken. That broken nature leads to bad things.

For example, 4 and a half years ago CCP altered the system in null to "create more reasons to fight". it failed to create more fights. it succeeded in getting many of us to either move PVE alts to high sec to run incursions or make PVe alts from scratch for the same purpose.

Later, CCP exacerbated the problem by buffing the already questionable Sister of EVe LP store even more by (for the 1st time) making a 'pirate faction' series of ships available in high sec. This buffed the unholy hell out of everything else in that LP store, virtue implants, probe launchers, sisters probes, the works.

I exploited these imbalances. I ran incursions in a mach on one screen while running This Navy Raven doing SOE missions. So i know what Im talking about. Iv'e returned to null because null is more fun, but the imbalances still affect all of us.

The point is that these imbalances not only exist, they hurt CCPs efforts in other areas of the game (as i linked above, something that was supposed to drive conflict ended up chasing many of us to high sec and contributed to null becoming renter space). Combat PVE is at the heart of EVE's Risk/reward scheme, and when it's broken, EVE is broken.



Understand that i've had this same 'discussion' dozens of times, and in them I've watched time and time again some high sec champion ignore testable, observable truth because it doesn't fit with some agenda they have. For the most part i've stopped talking about it on forums and started talking to CCP about it at player events, CCP Quant's 'surprise' at the incursion figures is a sign of the ice melting on this issue.

WTF?

So if you don't have much experience with the issue being talked about Cidaniel, why are you talking about it? I've be a PVE jock for 8 years, i've literally done everything EVE has to offer (even all the COSMOS missions and complexes). I had a feeling you didn't know much, which is why I asked you about your experience in a previous post.

This is a common occurrence, people who know very little about global PVE disagreeing (from a place of ignorance) about something they could see and test for themselves if they were interested in the truth. How about you go look at the Burner Blitz guide, do some of that for a few months, then get back to us on how things work maybe?

I have a better idea lets just start taxing the 1% of players that do run incursions! concord is expensive, redistribute the wealth, PLEX is too damn high ect!

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ghost thread

Literally the only thing I said about missions so far was that a guy who claims 235m isk/hr across three accounts should say he is making 78m isk/hr because of simple math.

I have run incursions and done everything PvE-wise null has to offer.

My point with missions is if you tell someone you can make 200m isk/hr in missions, it is dishonest because it relies on multiple accounts. It's the same thing as claiming you are solo PvP-ing even though you have an OGB alt. Nothing wrong with it, but be honest that it isn't flying solo.

So you latch on to the one guy with 3 accounts but ignore the multiple times I posted the current burner blitz guide for 1 character?

Again you prove my point.

Also, again, he is not making 78 mil per hour, he is making what he says he's making, he owns all the characters running the content. Same as the guy with the OGB, if it's his alt, he's flying solo. He has one butt to sit in a chair in front of a computer, using alts dosesn't cause butt multiplication.

That's butt addition, an entire different field of posterior mathematics.

If null players would actually shoot other players for the loot, they'd be doing just fine.

Nullsec = good. Bluesec = bad.

Mr Epeen