Intergalactic Summit

At least if I die, I will die fighting, and not running away in shame or being ENSLAVED like a minmatar.


Well, miss, then I have to disappoint you: you failed to even grasp what does logic itself mean, if you dare to claim such rubbish.


Haven't I written above that I actually SHOOT down enemies of humanity, including Sansha? Have you lost ability to read, minmatar? It was said right here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6169086#post6169086

And haven't I asked if YOU were on our side or not here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6169051#post6169051

Or am I talking with a wall, who fails to read and understand with just spewing some nonsence as replies?


How many times should I say for a minmatar to understand?
Yes, I do support the Amarr and the State, as well as a unaligned capsuleers in standing against the menace known as Sansha. (See? I have even written it as full for you to easier to understand).

And no, I don't support the Gallente Federation, the Sansha Nation and the Minmatar Republic, as all three of them are almost equal threats to humanity.

And I have to repeat yet my question I asked earlier that your "PR" officer has failed to answer, now to you directly:

Are you willing to support the Amarr Empire as we do, Ms. Vess, and fight with the Empire against Sansha and other external threats, and not against Amarr? Are YOU with us or against us?

At the moment I'm short on time. I want to make sure I answer your questions however. I'll address the other parts of your reply later. I will say I am only speaking for myself not my corporation.

To answer your question when it comes to things involving sansha or the drifters, the only targeting I will do of my republic's enemies(Amarr & Caldari) would be logistical in nature. Yes I fully support them on those 2 regards. Either way the caldari I could care less about and are my enemy by contract only. Do you ever see me patrolling the caldari/Gallante warzone? Honestly by looking at my public kill records, good luck finding a caldari militia member on it. I won't say there aren't any but I probably have more friendly fire incidents than kills on your militia members. And that is rare, I believe only 6 times out of almost 600. For the Amarr empire in any other situation their COMBATANTS are my enemy. The khanid guy in a skiff isn't going to actively kill my crew, nor can I prove he is supporting any side (unless hes obviously in a place he would be; provi, Amarr controlled parts of the warzone ect). I hate their culture, and feel it threatens mine and most other peoples' cultures. Sansha attacks indiscriminately, thus what fool would turn a blind eye to the "enemy of my enemy" who also attacks you?

I hope that answered your questions, I'll elaborate more if you wish and when I get the chance.

Is that so?
The Minmatar Republic isn't just enemy of the State, but also enemy of every State corporation. Well, at least those, who constitute the CEP. And, well, maybe except traitorous Ishukone. But I would never believe that Minmatars won't be enemy to such patriotic corporation as KK.


The spirit of the Caldari State is in the heart of every Caldari citizen. Just like Caldari Navy is in the heart of every marine. And even if that marine has died years ago and her clone now is used as a reusable combat ship controlling module, the spirit of Navy still lives in her heart.

The letter of State regulations didn't appear from the skies and didn't descend as a revelation of a prophet. They are rules collected and established by smart people with every rule having a number of underlying reasons and purposes. They all constitute that spirit, and ignoring them for the sake of "keeping spirit" is disrespectful both to that spirit itself, as well as to all wise Caldari, who worked hard to establish these rules and guidelines. Capsuleers are way too naive and inexperienced compared to the whole backbone of Caldari Navy.


That won't raise my opinion on your person.
Quite the contrary.

So replying that I would even supply logistical support, thus keeping them alive means I wouldn't support my own people in a totally separate fight? I would be a soldier under two warlords if Sansha decided to turn into the ally of the republic. I feel its safe to say that won't be happening anytime soon, don'tcha think? I don't take orders from the Amarr or Caldari, the fleet commander leading an assault against Sansha I certainly would no matter what allegiance they were. That would merely be a symbiotic relationship against Sansha. Think anyone above me would look down on me for it? Doubtful.


Your right, it would be more honorable to cancel a contract rather than not fufill it to the letter. I guess I should count myself lucky the wording says "enemies of the republic" and to "protect the republic." When have the Caldari people invaded any Matari sovereign space? Aside from you, who else has claimed that we should be re enslaved publically? By the nature of the work(a privateer technically), I'm supposed to use my judgment on what is a threat unless I'm specifically given a target by my higher ranking officer. Me being a privateer, that's the person transferring funds into my wallet. How do the Caldari people stack up in wanting to directly attack my people? How does that Khanid guy in a skiff rank on the threat level?


Replace "Khanid guy" with whatever you want, it doesn't change my point. Not every Gallante person wants the Caldari dead, not every Amarr person wants to enslave the Matari. For me its not about the people, its (much like your saying) the ideology from their faith that many of them take of superiority over EVERYONE, this belief of reclaiming (which the Caldari are included in) that is the threat to my people and all others for that matter. One shouldn't don a uniform without understanding what it entails. That doesn't include EVERY Amarr or Ammatar or Khanid. Unless the Matari Militia should be lining up every Caldari And Amarr pilot to a wall for supporting them, or the Caldari doing the same to Matari and Gallante pilots who are bravely serving the State's interests. Finally, like I said by contract I'm permitted to attack any stipulated as an enemy. Does that mean I'm to blindly abuse the system and simply shoot anyone because I can? Again, where have the Caldari really went out of their way to attack my people en mass? A few pockets is one thing but I don't see the "great Caldari fleets" laying waste to Amamake and all its inhabitants. You technically could, as could we to your systems. What's the point strategically?


Give us wormhole generators and see how often we are SEEN attacking them. Either way, how many Caldari people have been abducted by Matari forces? Rough estimates? Never mind, I don't know if I'm just drawing a blank here but when have we attacked the Caldari specifically? Now, how many Caldari people have been abducted by Sansha forces? Whens the last time Sansha forces attacked the Caldari specifically?

Obviously we're the greater threat.....

Sansha aside, our "warlords" are at war: the State and Republic. Sansha is just a third warlord who fights with both our warlords. By fighting together against Sansha you betray your warlord and those "Caldari" who fight with you - betray theirs. Every one of you are dishonorable, unless one side of your forces would keep their loyalty undisputed and other will switch sides.


Republic and the Empire are at war, and we don't actually have to "invade" your puny Republic to be your enemies. We are your enemies because we are allies to the Empire. Stop attacking the Empire, make peace with them, break alliance with Gallente and stop being their allies - and we will stop being your enemies. Indeed, we don't have our interests in Republic and Republic doesn't have interests in Caldari space. But while you stay as enemy with the Empire or ally with Federation - you will be our enemy as well and we will fight you just like you were Sansha.


Your recurrence to the questions of bloodline and ideology is disgusting.
We fight against those, who have loyalty to our enemies.
I don't know what are you trying to prove, maybe it is attempt to excuse your actions, but I am not interested in playing these games. It is not professional.


Yes, Sansha abducts citizens of everyone rather often. By why would you think I'd compare amount of stolen citizens as a threat?.. This is not rational. Abducted citizens are of course parts of the State and abducting them hurts the State. However, this doesn't affect combat ability of the State. Proper military forces with operations against State military interests damages the State way greater than some sort of pathetic terrorists or kidnappers. And as we all know Sansha military advances are rather pathetic. Our fleets slaughter through their numbers like red hot knives through the butter. Sansha loses millions of vessels, while we lose none.

Civilian losses are not that important as military losses.

I generally avoid speaking here, but now seems like a good time to bother.

In these eleven years as a capsuleer, I have had plenty of time to make plenty of mistakes but from these mistakes I have learned so much about myself and the world around me. I am thankful that death did not have to stand in the way of my experiences, and that I am free of the place I was raised that had me believe there was nothing interesting out here at all.

I can't claim loyalty to anyone, I've proven that time and time over, but my heart does lie with the Matari even if don't believe that, collectively, they don't know what's best for themselves. The Republic is a young government largely defined by its oppressors. Fortunately, as a supportive outsider, I don't have pride standing in my way. I am not afraid to ask the Caldari for help.

Diana Kim, you did not seem concerned with me when I was a supporter of the Angel Cartel, and I understand your priorities are with the State and not 'general do-gooding'. I ask that you embrace our cause, we need not be enemies and the Minmatar could learn so much from the Caldari.

The Federation is not the savior of Minmatar, it is just a tyranny of popularity and fashion instead of dogma and shame. While I find any kind of nationalism terrifying, the Caldari social order is taught to prize itself, even if not individually. It is service instead of servitude. The Caldari are much better at dealing with the inherent flaws of human socialization, and I find that incredibly respectable and an attractive quality.

It is time for the Caldari and Minmatar to rise together. Truly these two people have more in common than any other empires, and both have the most working against them. Do not think for a second the Amarr wouldn't turn on the State and enslave every one of its people if they thought they could get away with it, and the Gallente's half-assed support has only poisoned whatever Minmatar identity there might have been.

The world has changed, and it continues to change. We should change together. We don't even have to set aside our differences, because there are none. The only reason we fight is we're shooting the enemies of our terrible friends, and I will stand for it no longer.

Huh?

I cannot speak as to why Kii Rekara, the CEO of Aldodan Pact, seems to have setup shop out there, but, rest assured it has nothing to do with our principles of opposition to Sansha's Nation. Even I acknowledge, that a Corporation named that, should probably be based in Aldodan somewhere. That being said, it is probably just some clerical error. I can however, press the issue with her next time we speak.

"Clerical error". Alliance founded by Sansha loyalist, in a Sansha system, while working with another Sansha-affiliated organization.

There certainly are doubts as to whether there is any actual opposition to Sansha's Nation here.

Then, perhaps next time there is an incursion around, you can join the fleet and see for yourself, that we oppose Nation. I have more reason to oppose Nation than most, and I do actively. Khushakor Clan's HQ is in FDZ4-A, care to speculate conspiracy theories about what we are doing for the Society of Conscious Thought. Hint: we aren't doing anything for or with them.

The great majority of pilots in Stain, shoot the Sansha you know, and they still utilize the Station services within them, which seem oddly enough to be administered by CONCORD.