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Why can't THEY scramble each other?
Just a slight nerf. Incursion fleets are OP anyway... ;-)

Have you even bothered looking at the damage...?
Both the corax and talwar have more effective turrets than the Stork or Bifrost.

The armor ones lack the drone HP bonus and will actually be easy to counter by the commonly advised "just shoot the drones" strategy

Alright. List all the battleships that can go 1+km/s from a dead stop. With only a MWD and no other prop mods.

If you get jumped, how are you able to refit to a MJD? Why can't the gankers reinforce your depot? Its only a suspect timer.

ISK/HOUR is a relevant argument when adjusting to the change handicaps it excessively. 10% Fine. 20% a bit rough. One ship and module causing your ISK/HOUR to drop by 30% or more? Love how the game is now designed around one ship and one module.

Jumping the target NPC away does a few things. One, it keeps it out of range of the mission runner to give him more time to work on it. Two, his buddies can warp directly to him and keep daisychaining it.

You are demanding answers of why it should not be allowed in high sec. The simplest one, the one I keep returning to is, this changes everything. Everything has to respond to it and be prepared for it. There has never been one module to have such an effect in the game's history in high security space.

Is it possible to prepare for? Yes. In hundreds of ways. Is it cheap to do so, yes. Is it something people could adapt to, yes. Same could be said for bombs, bubbles, and capitals. But the addition of the jump or any of these others fundamentally changes the way the game plays in high security and CCP doesn't want to shift the HS meta that much right now, in this way.

Where as currently incursion fleets are basically immune and have zero risk while printing plexes.

Risk=reward.

Incursion fleets NEED risk introduced man.
You cant tell me with a straight face they dont/have balanced risk/reward man.

I can't imagine nothing worst to kill the small gangs roaming in deep hostile areas where your only way to survive is kitting then watch a cloud of intys instantly jump 100km and be on top of you.

And to make it even easier the only guy that has to be aligned to the target is the command dessie... orbit at 500m and wait for the dessie to activate the module.

Unfit, even an abaddon can. I'm not sure there is one that can't, actually.



Oh so now there's a gang? Way to move the goalposts. Why are they not just ganking the mission bear? Maybe because....no-one will use T2 ships for that, plus there is not a single reason to move ANYONE in a mission for a gank. Not one.

And these mission runners, not watching for probes? Not seeing an armada incoming and can't warp out? Right. Ok.

You are clutching at straws and moving the goalposts when caught out.



One module on a ship you may never even see. Carry an alternate fitting, it's not rocket science. It doesn't handicap a damn thing any more than me warping out when I see a dozen thrashers on a short scan.

It's only a handicap if you ALLOW it to be, or are generally just bad.

They could put these in the game tomorrow and my high sec mission income would not even move. Not an inch.



Only in an ungated mission and honestly, people won't do that, it's simpler and easier to pop the rat and steal the loot. Something only really done in cosmos missions these days. Point is, this is doable TODAY with the same ramifications but with less exposure.


It changes very little for the bad. It rewards the prepared, this is good. It rewards cooperation, this is good and it punishes the sloppy, the lazy and the feckless. This is also good. It creates options for dealing with otherwise impossible situations (docking games, for one) this is also good.


You've made a plethora of bad excuses revolving around isk/hour and absolute edge cases, demonstrated a terrible understanding of game mechanics from ganking to missions and constantly assumed the "victim" is utterly brain dead and not remotely competent whilst painting the gankers as superhuman monsters who can elegant interweave both alignment and server ticks 100% perfectly, can go from one guy to a fleet when it suits.

Honestly, it's a pretty poor show, you've basically got nothing beyond (a wildly hyperbolic) "don't take away my isk/hour". Which is fine, but that's not a reason to not introduce a mod.

Well considering all the other mjds do....why would it not?

Sebo HIC will do just fine.

A couple of Thrashers can wreck any incursion ship inside the incursion sites. A Blackbird can jeopardize an entire fleet if they jam the logis just long enough. Don't confuse your own lack of imagination and knowledge with facts and make people believe that risk-inducing activities are not applied on the server.

Perhaps battleships and BCs could have a module which has an AEO scramble affect. I'm all for adding unique BS and BC modules and that would be super useful not only as a counter to these command destroyers, but also in general.

Hyperdunking or undermanned ganking would still use bumpers because of the headcount, the MJD cooldown timer, the fact the bumper is protected by concord and the dessies would not be. Hell ganking as a whole will still use bumpers, it's a 3 minute cooldown on MJD mods, that's an eternity, you would need a fair few to make that work. More efficient, safer and predictable to continue using bumping machs.



As for suspect: Because criminal is binary, it doesn't really create good interaction opportunities.

It also basically kills all the nifty uses of this I already listed.

When you think about it, there are most of equivalents these in game already. Not all, but most and they have suspect/no flagging attached.


>Nicking mission rats/items is analogous to ninja looting and that is suspect.

>Moving ships around against their will is essentially bumping which carries no flagging at all (albeit the reasons may be mechanical rather than intention). No problem with a "mass bump" carrying a flag, that is reasonable.

Most important thing is, it's a dial that can be turned. It could start suspect then go criminal if it was really bad or LATER removed from highsec if that was still not enough. Banning it outright, out of the gate means we will never know and an opportunity is lost.