EVE New Citizens Q&A

Confirming, if you look at an HC character's employment history it is very common to see them rotating through 3-5 different corporations.

I actually found one of their wormholes the other day...didn't save it though. Bummer. Last time I was there I killed a noctis of theirs and the ishtars "protecting" it got so confused they shot each other. (I think there was some multi-boxing going on...)

Basically they aren't a very good target unless you're willing to shell out a lot of ISK and even then they can just drop to NPC corp for a bit. They've really got war dodging down to a science. If you really want to hurt them, infiltration / the long game might be a better option. I'm sure they have friendly fire off, so you might have to do some mining (bleh!) until you are trusted enough to hold something valuable.

It's worth noting that they sometimes will enter Genesis lowsec when the locals (me) aren't being particularly aggressive. Antem - New Eden pipe is their usual haunt IIRC. There are larger threats in the area though....lots of cynos so be on your toes and make sure you're checking killboards when choosing an engagement.

You've got no idea. Defenders almost never attempt self defense at all, against any aggressor no matter how weak or strong the aggressor actually is.

You can try this for yourself. Roll an alt, form a 1 man corp and declare war on someone. Show up in a meta fit frigate and see what happens. 9 times out of ten you can camp an entire corp into their HQ without them even undocking to see what you're in.

Highsec corps and alliances that aren't dedicated PVP groups literally don't defend themselves anymore, you can be bashing their customs offices solo in a talos and they won't do anything even if they have ten dudes in system.

There are some exceptions, but they really are exceptional. As a rule the dedicated highsec PVP has a total monopoly on combat in highsec, a defender that actually needs something defended will hire mercs, not do it themselves, if they don't have assets to defend they'll drop corp, stay logged off for the entire duration or totally ignore the war and get killed. But before the war goes live they'lltalk smack about how they're going to whoop your ass.

The solution is simple, find targets that want to fight back.

Although you're not likely to find many in high-sec.

I generally had the same mentality as a new EVE player, particularly when I was in a 300 man alliance that routinely got wardecs from 2-10 man groups. There didn't seem like there was a logical reason not to be beating their heads in, particularly given how a lot of them did really dumb stuff and could tended 2 typ lik dis in local m8. Anyone that dumb had to explode. So me and some bros went on battleclinic, put together pvp ships (with terrible battleclinic fits) and blew them the hell up.

Later on we decided that the people declaring war on us were having all the fun and we quit, tolled new characters and formed a wardec corp with the intent of combining all the biggest problems we dealt with as carebears. A few years later we started an alliance. Now we're everyone in highsec's worst nightmare!

It is not that the war mechanic is not for new player just that your line of questioning is not a a level that the typical 2 week old player would be asking. I was saying that you seemed like a more experienced player asking a more complicated question something that probably belongs in Crime and punishment. I understand that you can't post there on a trial but if you are an experienced player constantly rerolling trials that does not quite seem fair to the other new players who are legitimate newbies.

If you have actually only been playing the game for about 2 weeks then my comment does not apply to you however I have no way of knowing if you are or not so posted what I did and left it for you to figure out what category that you fit into.

However you decided to become belligerent with me and accuse me of "getting shirty". That is almost text book troll.

You post like this and expect me to believe that you are not a troll?


Not sure what me hiding behind a forum alt has to do with the thread being a troll thread or not. I could have just reported it as a troll thread and it would have likely gotten locked down. However I simply asked the OP and other posters to give heed to the fact that this is the NC Q&A.

But then you Bumblefck decide to go on and troll with you comment about me being a forum alt.

So immediately after me asking people to keep in mind that this is the NC Q&A and to not troll we get 3 troll posts. Thanks guys. Next time I'll just report the thread and let ISD sort it out.

Hi!

This list is by no means complete.

.) When a corp constantly folds and recreates, roll alts to steal the corp's name.
Repeat uncommented (!) until they approach you about it.
Though I'd avice against wasting 50mill for decs,
when the money could be better used for ganking.

.) If they run missions, continuously bump them to ruin their tracking;
shoot the NPCs to claim bounty yourself (counterproductive against blitzers);
steal the mission's objective. Repeat uncommented until they approach you.

.) If they mine, mine the roids they are mining. Use a max-yield fitting and a covetor.
Alternatively keep bumping them out of range.

.) Infiltrate the corp. Look for people with inflated egos (easy),
wait for someone to express anger about the situation and add emotionally expressive oneliners
to fuel the fire. Inflated egps are the easiest to manipulate.

.) Find likeminded people to execute the above unisono, daily at best.

There might be lots of targets you can't engage "physically",
but there's not a single target out there able to evade lasting psychological terror without giving up the character.


Want help? :)

*tips hat*

There's more where that came from.

Just to add to the voices.
There is nothing you can do to prevent them from dropping corp to avoid your war dec.
Even if you dec the corps they join they can simply drop to an NPC and be immune from your war decs.

Best advice I can give is once they drop corp simply forget them and move on.
Or you can start a listing of characters that choose to drop corp instead of fight. In the future you can cross reference this list with the characters in a corp you are thinking about war deccing. If names from your list of dodgers are on the corp roles then you might consider not wasting your ISK on the war dec.

War dec players will scream about dodging being an exploit, however in my years in the game CCP has never said anything or done anything that indicates they agree with that position. In the end this all comes down to CCP protecting their cash flow. Eliminate war decs and they risk losing one group of players, eliminate the methods used to dodge war decs and they risk losing a different group of players.

If you want to get an idea of the state of hatred on both sides of the war dec issues all you need to do is spend time in these forums reading the past present and future posts on this topic.

I hear ya.

This emergent gameplay can be run infinitely long as long as the victim refuses to acknowledge the situation. Any and all issues begin at earliest when the victim actively approaches the emergent player demanding him to stop his shenanigans. According to the rules, the victim NEEDS to be offered a way out of the situation, otherwise it can be counted as harassment. Simply ignoring, petitioning or moving away a few systems/dropping corp aren't sufficient methods of making yourself a non-target.

People constantly folding corp to avoid wardecs still can not choose to opt out of being targets.
The harrassement rule only applies to cases where players have no way of stopping someone constantly engaging them one way or another, when the emergent player reaches too far into real life, or ...

Disclaimer: Listen to GMs. Never reach out of the game. Never demand PLEX to be bought and ...

... Unless you go full ******, at worst you get a warning first!


That just means you fell for it. :)

If you want them dead and can stand the sec status drop, just suicide gank them; there's a couple of groups in hisec who'll probably help you out for shiggles and a kill mail if you can't solo them.

Alternatively talk to people like Ralph who specialise in making people do stupid stuff in expensive ships that gets them killed, without Concord batting an eyelid.