EVE General Discussion

When you wake up to the fact that not everyone wants to play the game in a group because there is something more satisfying about playing the game and achieving things on your own you might understand what you have written is ridiculous.

There are ships that cost way more than 500m and don't carry drones, Your argument about sensor strength is also stupid when the hole mechanic is based on chance. Hell you could fly a Falcon right at me and not land a single jam.

A huge piece of the game that is missing is survivability and all these statements about watching local and D-scan are so ridiculous because the people writing them know you could do the best job in the world and still not be survive.

Lots of people have already mentioned the game is about numbers but i also think it's about being in control and not just about clicking on a module and watching it cycle. There is no cost to jams, webs disruptors, scrambs, TP, like there is to neuts and noses and that is why Ewar needs looking at.

Eventually i'd like to play a game where it is possible to defend yourself against a surprise blob through clever piloting. At the moment we are sat repeating the same process for every encounter making the game dull and boring.

That's not a valid comparison, because even when tracking disrupted, you can still apply drones, neuts, scrams, webs, and all of your own EWAR. When you are jammed you can't apply anything. You're flying a brick.

Agreed. Particularly ECM drones, it is so cheap when you get jammed out by a flight of ECM drones (and despite the low jam strength they are strangely reliable in jamming anything BC and below).

If you are interested in a better method for implementing ECM whilst keeping it fairly similar to how it currently fuctions then I have a proposal linked in my signature which would fix the issue.

What you were doing was trying to invalidate my comment by pointing to something that has nothing to do with anything.

EWAR (in this case points and webs) are working as intended, and there are planty of ways to negate the advantages they offer. Rather than use those advantages, some people would rather complain about them, and imo that's the wrong way to look at it.

As we know from years of posting on this forum, some peoples idea of balanced vs unbalanced is "did it kill me? yes = unbalanced, no = balanced". Points and scrams are nessacary evils, space combat isn't liek Star Trek . After playing EVE for so many years I can't watch a Star Trek battle, I always end up thinking "damn, why don't they just warp off, no one has a point on them" lol.

As an Aside, isn't it always strange how the FIRST thing to go in every Star Trek fight is the damn warp engines? Put some armor on the damn things already Kirk/Picard/Sisko whoever.

Nah it wasn't clear or obvious, all I see is you overreacted with your comment, it was not valid and now you are just trying to save face, but as you said it's all silly.

It is, but as said perhaps not everyone will see that.

I like how there's actual conversation on the topic at hand going on in the background of two salties screaming at one another while ignoring everyone else in the thread.

This..

I disagree.

- You can still warp out unless you're scrammed (most ECM ships are flown at long ranges because they are squishy targets.You'll rarely see tackle ECM ships.)
- being sensor damped to a point where you're unable to lock targets that are beyond your range is not that much dissimilar to being jammed (depending on what ship you're flying)
- Some weapons are unaffected by jams: F.o.F. missiles, deployed and agressing drones, smartbombs, ECCM.
- ECM has a chance to fail, giving you a window of opportunity which other ewar modules don't.

"You can still warp out" is not an argument. You can still warp out if you aren't jammed. That means nothing.

Being sensor damped only applies if you are outranged, but that's a specific scenario. At close range, no amount of sensor damps are going to keep you from locking. Again, you can also apply all of your other modules. You can still lock things close, including fleet mates who might need repping. Jamming leaves no such opening.

FoF missiles are unaffected by jamming, but they also don't allow you to choose your target. They also only work if you're flying a missile boat. Well, not all ships use missiles. You're rolling the dice when you use them. Same with aggressive drones. They go for the first thing that aggroes you, which may not be the ship jamming you.

Yes, ECM has a chance to fail, but that doesn't balance it. It is still, hands down, the most dangerous EWAR in the game. It is on a completely different level than all other EWAR. It turns a ship it lands on ineffective regardless of range, tracking, or sensor resolution. One jam cycle can determine the entire course of a fight.