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Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2015-11-17 17:41:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Daerrol
So to summarize:
1. You don't fly Capitals
2. You don't need to fly capitals for any reason
3. You don't know how capital combat works (Evident by your posts)
4. You dislike the new options for capitals and are arguing till blue in the face about them

Analysis: You are ranting about things you don't understand and throwing around buzzwords intending to inflame. The fact you clearly have no part in this gameplay. Your killboard shows you are either an industrialist or more likely, an alt.

I dub thee: TROLL and do decalre

Daerrol was here before the Locke

Edit: You should look up what a Sandbox vs Themepark MMO is. These changes, while maybe good maybe bad, do not even touch upon that dichotomy and are in fact attempting to make it more sandbox by putting counter play to titans besides more Supercaps than the enemy has.
Calanthas
Ninja Pixels
#42 - 2015-11-17 17:50:15 UTC
Daerrol wrote:
So to summarize:
1. You don't fly Capitals
2. You don't need to fly capitals for any reason
3. You don't know how capital combat works (Evident by your posts)
4. You dislike the new options for capitals and are arguing till blue in the face about them

Analysis: You are ranting about things you don't understand and throwing around buzzwords intending to inflame. The fact you clearly have no part in this gameplay. Your killboard shows you are either an industrialist or more likely, an alt.

I dub thee: TROLL and do decalre.


#5 Read the OP, says clearly right there what I'm not (repeat, and telling me what Im not, doesn't make it so). I was more interested in who has a say in the matter, than anything else.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#43 - 2015-11-17 17:52:21 UTC  |  Edited by: DaReaper
tl;dr this stupid topic.

1) The Executive Producer, currently CCP Seagull (the savior is eve, oh may she reign long) sets the general tone and direction of eve. With inpust from the associtate producers. These people take the general direction and pass then down to the dev teams which them pick something to work on, come put with a plan which is kicked back up the chain to make sure it still fit xin with the general idea and they have the money to do it and then they work on it.

EP sets broad goals, teams work on little chunks of broad goals.

If you want to *****, talk to seagul or the team that is working on each aspect, which you can find in that teams blogs.

2) the CSM has ZERO power. None, noda, zip, zero, ziltch. The CSM is a focus group or an Advisory council. It makes it easier to get condensed feed back then trying to sort though thouseds of topics.

All the above is business 101. Depending on how the EP works, they could be micro managing every detail, or saying 'we are going to change capitals and pos with the goal of going to new space, someone work on this.' and the teams take that and run with it. one will work on caps, one pos', and one the new spoace.


Reported for.. ranting i guess

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#44 - 2015-11-17 17:56:06 UTC
Calanthas wrote:
Daerrol wrote:
So to summarize:
1. You don't fly Capitals
2. You don't need to fly capitals for any reason
3. You don't know how capital combat works (Evident by your posts)
4. You dislike the new options for capitals and are arguing till blue in the face about them

Analysis: You are ranting about things you don't understand and throwing around buzzwords intending to inflame. The fact you clearly have no part in this gameplay. Your killboard shows you are either an industrialist or more likely, an alt.

I dub thee: TROLL and do decalre.


#5 Read the OP, says clearly right there what I'm not (repeat, and telling me what Im not, doesn't make it so). I was more interested in who has a say in the matter, than anything else.



google could of answered this for you... i second and dub thee sir troll

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Calanthas
Ninja Pixels
#45 - 2015-11-17 18:05:41 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
tl;dr this stupid topic.

1) The Executive Producer, currently CCP Seagull (the savior is eve, oh may she reign long) sets the general tone and direction of eve. With inpust from the associtate producers. These people take the general direction and pass then down to the dev teams which them pick something to work on, come put with a plan which is kicked back up the chain to make sure it still fit xin with the general idea and they have the money to do it and then they work on it.

EP sets broad goals, teams work on little chunks of broad goals.

If you want to *****, talk to seagul or the team that is working on each aspect, which you can find in that teams blogs.

2) the CSM has ZERO power. None, noda, zip, zero, ziltch. The CSM is a focus group or an Advisory council. It makes it easier to get condensed feed back then trying to sort though thouseds of topics.

All the above is business 101. Depending on how the EP works, they could be micro managing every detail, or saying 'we are going to change capitals and pos with the goal of going to new space, someone work on this.' and the teams take that and run with it. one will work on caps, one pos', and one the new spoace.


Reported for.. ranting i guess


You give me an actual answer to the question, and then report the thread for ranting. A CSM who responded to the thread, could have given a productive response, and instead threw out some sarcasm (after which I discover the CSM forum). If anything this thread shows just how unproductive the Eve community can be - all of which also suggests Eve Online is slowly evolving into a theme-park MMO.
Calanthas
Ninja Pixels
#46 - 2015-11-17 18:12:28 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
google could of answered this for you... i second and dub thee sir troll


After 6 years of game play I decided to ask on the forums, because it "could be" more efficient than google. Is it possible people have "adopted" a method of game play in Eve and want other players to conform, or they are wrong? (that would suggest a theme-park MMO as well)
Valacus
Streets of Fire
#47 - 2015-11-17 20:48:57 UTC
I expected an actual question, not just "I don't like the upcoming changes, CCPleasedont". Should have known better.
Calanthas
Ninja Pixels
#48 - 2015-11-17 21:32:32 UTC
Valacus wrote:
I expected an actual question, not just "I don't like the upcoming changes, CCPleasedont". Should have known better.


lol
Frank Pannon
Emerald Swine Escavations
#49 - 2015-11-18 14:52:55 UTC
15 minutes of fame over.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#50 - 2015-11-18 15:04:19 UTC
I actually like the direction of the changes and they appear anything but theme park to me.

One of the common complaints about nullsec fleet warfare in recent years, has been the rise of the F1 brigade. Particularly in the Ishtar meta, land on grid, drop sentries, assist drones, anchor on FC and go semi-AFK. Other fleet doctrines have had similar approaches, where the bulk of the work in the fleet is being done by the FC and most of the fleet is less skilled.

CCP have been on a path of promoting more individual piloting and advantage to skilled pilots and these changes feel like they will support that.

With these doomsdays, pilots that aren't aware o what is happening and who aren't ready to respond individually to signs of a doomsday effect, are going to be hit. Fleets that have pilots ready to respond, to break away from their anchor to avoid a doomsday and then reform, who are maintaining awareness of what is happening in the fight, those are the fleets that will benefit most from these changes. That seems like a good thing, not bad.
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#51 - 2015-11-18 15:09:29 UTC
This won't get a lock. Any discussion is a good discussion.

Accusing EVE of becoming a "theme park game" at this juncture, is supremely ridiculous. It is done by people under the pretense they'll be seen as gaming experts by tossing jargon around.

You were saying...about...uh...what again?

There just isn't anything that can be said!
Calanthas
Ninja Pixels
#52 - 2015-11-18 15:28:05 UTC
Otso Bakarti wrote:
You were saying...about...uh...what again?


Calanthas wrote:
.........I'm curious how CCP comes up with these ideas, and who makes the final decision regarding what to use or not use. ................Does CSM have a say in the matter?


Source: OP
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