Player Features and Ideas Discussion

But I have to say that even at this late date it is the best sperg post I've seen this year. I can almost hear the heavy asthmatic breathing and the groaning of the triple wide ergo-blimp chair as the final period is mashed into the keyboard.

Ed* so good I had to copypasta that **** to pals, they're loving it.

So nothing against his argument, just don't like his brand of hyperbole? Fair enough.

If you say so. I suppose it's easier than giving reasons why aggression in high sec should not be criminally flagged, or for their not to be actual downsides to being a hardened criminal in high sec space.

I will grant he didn't word his arguments well, but you didn't even make one at all.

The whole reason this thread even exists is because some folks believe ganking to be out of hand, and that bumping should not be regarded as harmless when used intentionally and repeatedly in order to effectively keep a ship tackled. That may or may not be a problem, but taking offense at hyperbole isn't really contributing to the conversation.

Bumping on its own not harassment. Bumping is an emergent property of this PvP game, used by players since time immemorial to tackle capital ships. If you think you are being harassed by another player through bumping or any other method, please file a ticket and raise the issue with CCP.

But Eve is a game where other players are explicitly allowed to affect your gameplay. Other players are allowed to interfere with your navigation and relieve you of your ship even in highsec. It is not harassment to have your goals in game thwarted, or your in-game assets exploded or taken by pirates.

CONCORD is not there to protect your stuff - that is up to you. How many times does this need to be said in this thread?


Sorry, I truncated the rest of your rant as it progressively got more and more insane and is not really worth responding to. However, I will point out your "solution" would have no effect on bumping. If anything, it would increase the need for bumpers in order to give time for the criminals to make their way to the target from lowsec to attack the target. Bumpers are without exception, neutral pilots and thus would not be affected at all by even the most draconian penalties for gankers like you have proposed.

It would be much simpler, and easier for CCP to implement, just to lock out offensive modules in highsec against unflagged targets. I guess this is really what you are trying to propose with your convoluted list of penalties and yes, that would solve bumping by making suicide ganking impossible. But why should CCP do that? They have explicitly coded suicide ganking, Crimewatch, CONCORD and the other systems to allow criminals to operate in highsec. Why would they throw all that work away now? How would that make the game better?

Which is why my counter proposal was to make it require an active module to return the capability, which could then be easily flagged as criminal or outright aggression for crimewatch and concordokken.

However, even that much may soon be a non-issue if capitals lose their ewar immunity.

You are so wrong on this, everything we can and cannot do in this game is CCP's call to make since they provide the sandbox that you love to talk about. When / If CCP decides that ganking may need another nerf you can bet it will happen. IF CCP thinks that repeatedly bump[ing a ship should become a criminal offense then you can bet that will happen as well.


Ah yet another of your comments induced by your hatred of or completely ignoring the facts.
If you cannot align then you cannot warp, like it or not this is a simple fact of warp travel in EvE.
To be aligned in EvE requires you to attain roughly 70% of your ships current non-warp maximum speed as affected by modules, rigs, skills, and of course webs. Since bumping can and often does prevent a ship from attaining the required speed bumping can and often does prevent a ship from warping because they prevent it from aligning. I still have no problems with the place ganking is at in this game but please try to use a modicum of logic and rational thought in your arguments.

Ad hominem.


Correct. However, bumping does not prevent alignment, it prevents alignment with a specific coordinate. This is an important distinction you're missing.


Exactly 75%, actually.


Speed and vector are two different things. You very much have the requisite speed for warp while bumped, just not the vector. That is unless the bumper happens to bump you toward a warpable object such as a celestial, bookmark or fleetmate.

yes i am a troll and feed off ideas to fix things that are not broken

There is no issue here as there are tactics and mods that will stop this from happening both before and after someone starts to bump you.

Yet they are still tackling, and still protected by Concord. The intention of high sec gameplay is that the freighter would need to be wardecced, criminal, or suspect before being a legitimate target of hostile action. You can still tank the freighter, but you should not be able to do so without at least flagging, and really by getting the job done before concord shows up.