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ISK / hour fools! Post your ISK / LP conversion proofs!

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2015-11-17 05:32:23 UTC
Z'ko wrote:
Now, tell me, how in hell you are converting, manufacturing, hauling and so on, and blitzing at the same time?

If you do not do that activity at the same time than you are blitzing, then you must add that extra time into your time wich will reduce your totally bs ISK / hour numbers.

Make a youtube video of it. Show us how you blitz gazillion missions, and at the same time collect all the crap, haul it, buy all the crap from Jita, cash out all the crap back in agents station, then haul all the crap to be sold in Jita.

Now if you are using hauler alt, then you must add one to your divisor, if you use trade alt, then you must add another to the divisor...

If you first do the missions with one character. Then use another to salvage and loot. Then use third for hauling. Then you have three pilots, and you must divide your ISK/hour by three. Also, you must start your clock from the point where you start missioning, and stop it when you have sold your crap in Jita. And never stop the clock before that. Then you would get your actual ISK/hour number.

This 'code' bs propaganda is really getting annoying.


Blitz missions on main.

Spend LP on item (takes at the very most 5 min)

Transport goods to jita using a blockade runner fitted to warp as fast as an interceptor once a week/month

Sell to buy orders or set up a month long sell order

back to running missions.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#22 - 2015-11-17 15:47:56 UTC
Stop feeding the trolls.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#23 - 2015-11-17 16:01:59 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Stop feeding the trolls.

Are you kidding? It's free publicity Pirate

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Z'ko
Doomheim
#24 - 2015-11-17 19:23:54 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Stop feeding the trolls.

Yes, stop feeding these ISK/hour trolls.

Look, 278 ISK /HOUR, I just made these numbers from my tiny little head and used 4242 ISK/LP conversion rate!

Now nerf highsec so us losers without a proper **** can kill a minerboat!
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#25 - 2015-11-17 20:41:02 UTC
Z'ko wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Stop feeding the trolls.

Yes, stop feeding these ISK/hour trolls.

Look, 278 ISK /HOUR, I just made these numbers from my tiny little head and used 4242 ISK/LP conversion rate!

Now nerf highsec so us losers without a proper **** can kill a minerboat!

most isk/hour threads post a methodology that is reproducible. and looking at tools like fuzzworks it is very easy to see that their LP numbers match with reality. I generally don't believe unsubstantiated claims, however with most of the recent threads I have been able to verify if not beat the results.

and I highly doubt most of the people posting these threads are in any way associated with CODE.

in most video games trade secrets don't last, someone eventually tells everyone who will listen about it, makes a youtube video, or goes and writes a guide. Is it a way to improve competition, a brag, or does the pretend money just start to mean less then helping other players? I can't speak for anyone's individual motivations.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Sheeth Athonille
TerraTroopers
Get Off My Lawn
#26 - 2015-11-18 00:09:22 UTC
Z'ko wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Stop feeding the trolls.

Yes, stop feeding these ISK/hour trolls.

Look, 278 ISK /HOUR, I just made these numbers from my tiny little head and used 4242 ISK/LP conversion rate!

Now nerf highsec so us losers without a proper **** can kill a minerboat!


****, you're doing something wrong if you're only making 278 isk/hour Shocked Trying mining veldspar in a rookie ship or something!
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2015-11-18 00:33:32 UTC
Sheeth Athonille wrote:
Z'ko wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Stop feeding the trolls.

Yes, stop feeding these ISK/hour trolls.

Look, 278 ISK /HOUR, I just made these numbers from my tiny little head and used 4242 ISK/LP conversion rate!

Now nerf highsec so us losers without a proper **** can kill a minerboat!


****, you're doing something wrong if you're only making 278 isk/hour Shocked Trying mining veldspar in a rookie ship or something!


They are probably missioning for Fed Navy and doing full loot and salvage.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#28 - 2015-11-18 02:50:24 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Sheeth Athonille wrote:
Z'ko wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Stop feeding the trolls.

Yes, stop feeding these ISK/hour trolls.

Look, 278 ISK /HOUR, I just made these numbers from my tiny little head and used 4242 ISK/LP conversion rate!

Now nerf highsec so us losers without a proper **** can kill a minerboat!


****, you're doing something wrong if you're only making 278 isk/hour Shocked Trying mining veldspar in a rookie ship or something!


They are probably missioning for Fed Navy and doing full loot and salvage.

there usually are some negative isk/lp items there, so it is very possible P

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2015-11-21 16:27:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Z'ko wrote:
Now, tell me, how in hell you are converting, manufacturing, hauling and so on, and blitzing at the same time?

If you do not do that activity at the same time than you are blitzing, then you must add that extra time into your time wich will reduce your totally bs ISK / hour numbers.

Make a youtube video of it. Show us how you blitz gazillion missions, and at the same time collect all the crap, haul it, buy all the crap from Jita, cash out all the crap back in agents station, then haul all the crap to be sold in Jita.

Now if you are using hauler alt, then you must add one to your divisor, if you use trade alt, then you must add another to the divisor...

If you first do the missions with one character. Then use another to salvage and loot. Then use third for hauling. Then you have three pilots, and you must divide your ISK/hour by three. Also, you must start your clock from the point where you start missioning, and stop it when you have sold your crap in Jita. And never stop the clock before that. Then you would get your actual ISK/hour number.

This 'code' bs propaganda is really getting annoying.


Blitz missions on main.

Spend LP on item (takes at the very most 5 min)

Transport goods to jita using a blockade runner fitted to warp as fast as an interceptor once a week/month

Sell to buy orders or set up a month long sell order

back to running missions.


You have to have an alt at the hub to constantly update orders because people .01 the hell out of SoE items.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#30 - 2015-11-21 16:31:44 UTC
No actually not. SOE items are selling like hotcakes. You can do fine just dumping them on buy orders and still get 1700-1800 isk/lp.

In fact the price for SOE stuff has been steadily rising over the last month. Not sure why.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-11-21 16:33:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Demerius Xenocratus
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Z'ko wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Stop feeding the trolls.

Yes, stop feeding these ISK/hour trolls.

Look, 278 ISK /HOUR, I just made these numbers from my tiny little head and used 4242 ISK/LP conversion rate!

Now nerf highsec so us losers without a proper **** can kill a minerboat!

most isk/hour threads post a methodology that is reproducible. and looking at tools like fuzzworks it is very easy to see that their LP numbers match with reality. I generally don't believe unsubstantiated claims, however with most of the recent threads I have been able to verify if not beat the results.

and I highly doubt most of the people posting these threads are in any way associated with CODE.

in most video games trade secrets don't last, someone eventually tells everyone who will listen about it, makes a youtube video, or goes and writes a guide. Is it a way to improve competition, a brag, or does the pretend money just start to mean less then helping other players? I can't speak for anyone's individual motivations.


The nerf highsec crowd (which is generally strongly represented amongst the highsec ganking/goons mob) tends to toss out claims of 200M+/hr as evidence that highsec income is too high, while glossing over the fact that such numbers are outliers that reauire multiple characters, expensive setups, luck, heavy abuse of burners and often don't make clear that much of that ISK comes from LP which does not translate instantly into ISK.


I would love to have people come to my mission hub to buy SoE LP at 1600 ISK/LP. I guess it's easier than competing with other buy orders at hubs. I'll have to look into this.

The best ISK/hr I've gotten in level 4s is about 60-70M with a Machariel. I don't have ascendencies or run burners though.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2015-11-21 18:13:00 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:


The nerf highsec crowd (which is generally strongly represented amongst the highsec ganking/goons mob) tends to toss out claims of 200M+/hr as evidence that highsec income is too high, while glossing over the fact that such numbers are outliers that reauire multiple characters, expensive setups, luck, heavy abuse of burners and often don't make clear that much of that ISK comes from LP which does not translate instantly into ISK.


I would love to have people come to my mission hub to buy SoE LP at 1600 ISK/LP. I guess it's easier than competing with other buy orders at hubs. I'll have to look into this.

The best ISK/hr I've gotten in level 4s is about 60-70M with a Machariel. I don't have ascendencies or run burners though.

+100% agree, couldn't have said it any better.

Just another aspect of the 'nerf High sec / buff Null sec' Meta-game.



DMC
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#33 - 2015-11-21 20:49:24 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
The nerf highsec crowd (which is generally strongly represented amongst the highsec ganking/goons mob) tends to toss out claims of 200M+/hr as evidence that highsec income is too high, while glossing over the fact that such numbers are outliers that reauire multiple characters, expensive setups, luck, heavy abuse of burners and often don't make clear that much of that ISK comes from LP which does not translate instantly into ISK.


I would love to have people come to my mission hub to buy SoE LP at 1600 ISK/LP. I guess it's easier than competing with other buy orders at hubs. I'll have to look into this.

The best ISK/hr I've gotten in level 4s is about 60-70M with a Machariel. I don't have ascendencies or run burners though.

those numbers DO NOT require multiple characters, luck, and most make it very clear a lot of that comes from LP.

They do require expensive setups and implants, although you can split most of those expensive bits over multiple ships so you aren't always a gank magnet. Although I have seen a few fits posted that make me want to get back into ganking. and many setups can be made cheaper than the "standard" fit from the burner thread. I have 10b in assets in one station, but that involves a ton of ships*, backup gear, and market stuff, very different from buying 10bil in deadspace/officer loot and putting it all on one ship.

and yes burners are a huge part of it. I don't think anyone has avoided that part either. Although with burners a very large portion is in LP, and LP is an isk sink. Overall I really like the LP mechanic.

*some are backups, some are alternate fits, I'd rather have a second ship than refit in most cases

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2015-11-21 22:20:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Demerius Xenocratus
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
The nerf highsec crowd (which is generally strongly represented amongst the highsec ganking/goons mob) tends to toss out claims of 200M+/hr as evidence that highsec income is too high, while glossing over the fact that such numbers are outliers that reauire multiple characters, expensive setups, luck, heavy abuse of burners and often don't make clear that much of that ISK comes from LP which does not translate instantly into ISK.


I would love to have people come to my mission hub to buy SoE LP at 1600 ISK/LP. I guess it's easier than competing with other buy orders at hubs. I'll have to look into this.

The best ISK/hr I've gotten in level 4s is about 60-70M with a Machariel. I don't have ascendencies or run burners though.

those numbers DO NOT require multiple characters, luck, and most make it very clear a lot of that comes from LP.

They do require expensive setups and implants, although you can split most of those expensive bits over multiple ships so you aren't always a gank magnet. Although I have seen a few fits posted that make me want to get back into ganking. and many setups can be made cheaper than the "standard" fit from the burner thread. I have 10b in assets in one station, but that involves a ton of ships*, backup gear, and market stuff, very different from buying 10bil in deadspace/officer loot and putting it all on one ship.

and yes burners are a huge part of it. I don't think anyone has avoided that part either. Although with burners a very large portion is in LP, and LP is an isk sink. Overall I really like the LP mechanic.

*some are backups, some are alternate fits, I'd rather have a second ship than refit in most cases


You can run burners on a single character but multiple characters are needed to approach those numbers with regular missions. And yes luck does matter, mission draw is a big part of it and market fluctuation matters also. The SoE market has come back up a bit recently, not sure why, but a few months ago it was getting low enough that I stopped running missions. Frankly surprised the LP conversion rate hasn't tanked harder thanks to burner farming.

And this does matter because certain players use the 200-400M/hr outliers to advance their nerf highsec agenda whilst ignoring the fact that 99% of mission runners will never approach those numbers because you have to treat missions like a second job and invest significant capital to achieve it.

Meanwhile you can make 80M/hr in nullsec solo ratting in a 300M ISK ship and have that ISK go directly into your wallet, at the cost of having to show up and press F1 a few times a month.
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