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Advice on Wartargets

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General Panic
Freelance Logistics Co.
#1 - 2015-11-17 10:40:05 UTC
Hi,

I need some advice on wartargets in eve and how experienced empire wardeccers chase down targets that constantly leave there corps.

We recently Decced a corp of 18 people and they have, in the last 16 hours or so, left there corporation (or are doing) in to similar named corps that obviously exist to avoid the wardec with us, or anyone else for that matter.

Aside from an aggressive campaign of suicide ganking and bumping the targets no matter where these EVE hard men run to i can't really think of anything else we can do. It's unfortunate that we cannot afford to dec every single corp they run to, which we would be prepared to do.

These people reap the benefits of a corporation but successfully avoid any of the downsides, a sure avoidance of the Risk Vs Reward nature of eve

Be sure that this is the char I intend to fight with and to corporation in question is HC - Sinindustries, not to be confused with HC - Sinindustry, which they are moving to.

Cheers for any help!
Bloemkoolsaus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-11-17 11:36:00 UTC
You could infilttrate their corp and burn it from the inside.
Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#3 - 2015-11-17 11:38:41 UTC
You'll get many helpful, not-so-helpful, and always entertaining answers by posting your questions about wardecs in the Crime and Punishment section. Those guys are the experts.

> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl

Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-11-17 11:44:43 UTC
pick your targets better.

"These people reap the benefits of a corporation but successfully avoid any of the downsides, a sure avoidance of the Risk Vs Reward nature of eve"

bit hypocritical coming from a wardeccer Roll

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

General Panic
Freelance Logistics Co.
#5 - 2015-11-17 11:58:19 UTC
Trudeaux Margaret - Thanks for the info - I would have put it there but Trial accounts can post outside of this forum. Since I'm new and it is a question i guess it should go here.

Lan Wang - It's cool that you want to contribute but these eve hard men threatening a lowly 12 day old char like my self then running away from the flow up wardec. I'm not sure what other criteria a dec should have other than 'reason'.

Unlike Most empire wars, The kind that obviously make you upset, i have a reason to shoot these people and it's not like you can say I'm bullying them. I'd be quite happy to deal with the down sides of being in my corp.
Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#6 - 2015-11-17 12:19:42 UTC
General Panic wrote:
Trudeaux Margaret - Thanks for the info - I would have put it there but Trial accounts can post outside of this forum. Since I'm new and it is a question i guess it should go here.

Lan Wang - It's cool that you want to contribute but these eve hard men threatening a lowly 12 day old char like my self then running away from the flow up wardec. I'm not sure what other criteria a dec should have other than 'reason'.



You're a "lowly 12 day old char" on a trial account, wardeccing "eve hard men"? They're not that badassed if they have to break up their corp to run away from your dec. Your story isn't adding up, sorry.

> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl

General Panic
Freelance Logistics Co.
#7 - 2015-11-17 12:38:29 UTC
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:
General Panic wrote:
Trudeaux Margaret - Thanks for the info - I would have put it there but Trial accounts can post outside of this forum. Since I'm new and it is a question i guess it should go here.

Lan Wang - It's cool that you want to contribute but these eve hard men threatening a lowly 12 day old char like my self then running away from the flow up wardec. I'm not sure what other criteria a dec should have other than 'reason'.



You're a "lowly 12 day old char" on a trial account, wardeccing "eve hard men"? They're not that badassed if they have to break up their corp to run away from your dec. Your story isn't adding up, sorry.



I don't think they are as badassed as they sound either trust me, all mouth in local, seems they've got no trousers too.

But circumstances aside, there any advice on this or is it simply a case of having a billion isk to dec all the corps they might run to until they run out of Hogs Collective corps?
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-11-17 12:46:17 UTC
no nothing you can do, if someone doesnt want to fight you they dont have to

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Syeed Ameer Ali
Dirtbag Space Warriors Coming for yor Loots
#9 - 2015-11-17 12:53:24 UTC
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:
General Panic wrote:
Trudeaux Margaret - Thanks for the info - I would have put it there but Trial accounts can post outside of this forum. Since I'm new and it is a question i guess it should go here.

Lan Wang - It's cool that you want to contribute but these eve hard men threatening a lowly 12 day old char like my self then running away from the flow up wardec. I'm not sure what other criteria a dec should have other than 'reason'.



You're a "lowly 12 day old char" on a trial account, wardeccing "eve hard men"? They're not that badassed if they have to break up their corp to run away from your dec. Your story isn't adding up, sorry.



Sadly, you have revealed your lack of experience in these matters. I started running aggressive solo wardecs with this character when he was 2 days old. It was quite common for defenders to talk tough when wardecced by such a newbie only to roll their corp and evade the wardec, or to spend the war cowering in station while I camped them in with my meta fit Slasher. So OP's experience is actually quite typical. Never underestimate the sheer naked panic of the highsec carebear under wardec.

@OP you will drive yourself nuts trying to chase after wardec evaders. It will affect your fun/hour ratio if you allow it to. Take my advice and just let them go and find a better target. They will have to live with the shame of what they have done - let that be enough.
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-11-17 12:58:45 UTC
if non pvp wartargets evade wardecs that you keep paying for and without getting a kill then they are will not feel any shame as in fact they have won the isk war Pirate

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

General Panic
Freelance Logistics Co.
#11 - 2015-11-17 13:10:08 UTC
Well I'll happily steal/destroy ore in space until the money is equaled, or, resort to suicide ganking. Funny that that's basically the only options.

Would rather had a proper fight though.
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-11-17 13:13:21 UTC
if you want a proper fight wardec someone relevant or go to lowsec, plenty of fights around

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2015-11-17 13:38:15 UTC
This is certainly not a new player question. Your character may be young but my guess is that you are using the trial account system to stretch the limits of the risk versus reward balance in your own favor and whining about someone else doing something similar.

Arguments could be made that the risk versus reward balance in high sec is far too tilted towards wardec griefers and gankers.

Regardless of the balance or lack there of in regards to high sec risk versus reward I liken this to people that whine about docking games and to them I say then don't engage people on station. Make them fight somewhere else.

So more specifically to this situation I can say that if you don't like what you are getting from the high sec war dec mechanics then move to null or low sec. I guarantee you won't have the same issue there.

And just to restate what has been said already by others this is the NC Q&A. I know that New Character is in the name but my assumption is that this section of the forums is reserved for new players with newbie questions. It is a safe haven from new players IMHO and attempts are made to keep it free of trolling.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2015-11-17 13:44:39 UTC
Syeed Ameer Ali wrote:
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:
General Panic wrote:
Trudeaux Margaret - Thanks for the info - I would have put it there but Trial accounts can post outside of this forum. Since I'm new and it is a question i guess it should go here.

Lan Wang - It's cool that you want to contribute but these eve hard men threatening a lowly 12 day old char like my self then running away from the flow up wardec. I'm not sure what other criteria a dec should have other than 'reason'.



You're a "lowly 12 day old char" on a trial account, wardeccing "eve hard men"? They're not that badassed if they have to break up their corp to run away from your dec. Your story isn't adding up, sorry.



Sadly, you have revealed your lack of experience in these matters. I started running aggressive solo wardecs with this character when he was 2 days old. It was quite common for defenders to talk tough when wardecced by such a newbie only to roll their corp and evade the wardec, or to spend the war cowering in station while I camped them in with my meta fit Slasher. So OP's experience is actually quite typical. Never underestimate the sheer naked panic of the highsec carebear under wardec.

@OP you will drive yourself nuts trying to chase after wardec evaders. It will affect your fun/hour ratio if you allow it to. Take my advice and just let them go and find a better target. They will have to live with the shame of what they have done - let that be enough.

This thread is starting to feel like a troll. Please keep troll posts out of the NC Q&A. This is a safe haven for new players please keep that in mind and treat it like a starter system in game which is kept gank and scam free.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

Syeed Ameer Ali
Dirtbag Space Warriors Coming for yor Loots
#15 - 2015-11-17 13:49:05 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Syeed Ameer Ali wrote:
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:
General Panic wrote:
Trudeaux Margaret - Thanks for the info - I would have put it there but Trial accounts can post outside of this forum. Since I'm new and it is a question i guess it should go here.

Lan Wang - It's cool that you want to contribute but these eve hard men threatening a lowly 12 day old char like my self then running away from the flow up wardec. I'm not sure what other criteria a dec should have other than 'reason'.



You're a "lowly 12 day old char" on a trial account, wardeccing "eve hard men"? They're not that badassed if they have to break up their corp to run away from your dec. Your story isn't adding up, sorry.



Sadly, you have revealed your lack of experience in these matters. I started running aggressive solo wardecs with this character when he was 2 days old. It was quite common for defenders to talk tough when wardecced by such a newbie only to roll their corp and evade the wardec, or to spend the war cowering in station while I camped them in with my meta fit Slasher. So OP's experience is actually quite typical. Never underestimate the sheer naked panic of the highsec carebear under wardec.

@OP you will drive yourself nuts trying to chase after wardec evaders. It will affect your fun/hour ratio if you allow it to. Take my advice and just let them go and find a better target. They will have to live with the shame of what they have done - let that be enough.

This thread is starting to feel like a troll. Please keep troll posts out of the NC Q&A. This is a safe haven for new players please keep that in mind and treat it like a starter system in game which is kept gank and scam free.


Don't be such a ****. My post was not meant to troll anyone, but to answer the OP's question and respond to one of the other comments from my own experience. I myself was running offensive wardecs when I was a new player, so don't be so quick to judge OP or others in his situation. Wardeccing in highsec is a fun and rewarding playstyle for players of all ages, and there is no reason that someone should not ask questions about it in NCQA.
General Panic
Freelance Logistics Co.
#16 - 2015-11-17 14:00:26 UTC
Syeed Ameer Ali wrote:
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Syeed Ameer Ali wrote:
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:
General Panic wrote:
Trudeaux Margaret - Thanks for the info - I would have put it there but Trial accounts can post outside of this forum. Since I'm new and it is a question i guess it should go here.

Lan Wang - It's cool that you want to contribute but these eve hard men threatening a lowly 12 day old char like my self then running away from the flow up wardec. I'm not sure what other criteria a dec should have other than 'reason'.



You're a "lowly 12 day old char" on a trial account, wardeccing "eve hard men"? They're not that badassed if they have to break up their corp to run away from your dec. Your story isn't adding up, sorry.



Sadly, you have revealed your lack of experience in these matters. I started running aggressive solo wardecs with this character when he was 2 days old. It was quite common for defenders to talk tough when wardecced by such a newbie only to roll their corp and evade the wardec, or to spend the war cowering in station while I camped them in with my meta fit Slasher. So OP's experience is actually quite typical. Never underestimate the sheer naked panic of the highsec carebear under wardec.

@OP you will drive yourself nuts trying to chase after wardec evaders. It will affect your fun/hour ratio if you allow it to. Take my advice and just let them go and find a better target. They will have to live with the shame of what they have done - let that be enough.

This thread is starting to feel like a troll. Please keep troll posts out of the NC Q&A. This is a safe haven for new players please keep that in mind and treat it like a starter system in game which is kept gank and scam free.


Don't be such a ****. My post was not meant to troll anyone, but to answer the OP's question and respond to one of the other comments from my own experience. I myself was running offensive wardecs when I was a new player, so don't be so quick to judge OP or others in his situation. Wardeccing in highsec is a fun and rewarding playstyle for players of all ages, and there is no reason that someone should not ask questions about it in NCQA.


Saying this is a troll is unfair.

Not only can i not ask this question anywhere else it's also a valid question. I simply wanted to know What things could be done about this situation.

There's some specfic people i want to kill

They left the corp i Decced

I wanted to know if this is the done thing.

If this is a safe haven for new players answer the question don't get shirty about your perception of a high sec war dec. Syeed Ameer Ali has actually answered my question - thanks.

It's also an interesting topic to discuss - If war, as a mechanic, is not for new players, then why let them get involved in it?

Thanks for all that replied. I'm currently trying to work around this with some other players.
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-11-17 14:04:47 UTC
there is no workaround, simply if the player does not want to fight you then you have to suicide

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#18 - 2015-11-17 14:10:11 UTC
Should just get rid of wardecs and nerf high sec anyway

:tinfoil:

P

Ganking would be best option

@lunettelulu7

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#19 - 2015-11-17 14:39:56 UTC
OP, I would be inclined to turn your attentions towards ergherhdfgh...if only, that is, they weren't hiding behind an NPC posting alt.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#20 - 2015-11-17 14:40:14 UTC
Those Hogs Collective people are a nightmare. They talk endless smack and drop or roll their corps at the drop of a hat. They're also extremely bad.

The best success we had against them was declaring war on one of their WH groups and tracking them into their hole (they jump in and out constantly for no apparent reason) and engaged them in there. We had like a 10 man T3 fleet expecting to get a fight because they had like 15 dudes in there, but our bait proteus soloed their fleet.

Your best bet against the group on the whole would probably be to declare war on Airhogs and Aporkalypse Now and whichever corps you can find running missions out of Apanake then staking out that general area. You have to watch and follow them like an obsessive stalker though cause they're very skittish.

Don't expect to get a real engagement out of them, they'll avoid shooting back at you in an organized way at all costs.
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