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Where is the war in EVE?
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Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-11-15 15:32:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
I see alts running around blobbing people in lowsec/nullsec. I can't run sites or do anything whilst they are around. I try to fight back but eventually I need more isk for more ships.

Problem here is I can't wait untill they are collecting resources from that system and return the favor, because they never do. All the isk making is off on some Gila in 0.8 space farming refuges, and you can't reasonably kill those now can you? I tried to gank one with an 800 dps polarized catalyst, that didn't take 1 tenth of his shield buffer.

You can't actually play a game of war and kick people out because that deadspace fit orthurus is back in half an hour after your alliance killed him. So what if you were to follow him around and try to disrupt his isk making activities? Never going to happen, because he uses alts for that.

Essentially this makes lowsec/nullsec that premium content you must pay to play through alts or plex. Otherwise you go dirt broke and are forced back into highsec, happens every ******* time. I would rather play EVE then sit afk in a station waiting for someone to leave and do something else, but he never will because it's an alt and hes off making isk on another account.


CCP changed sov to make people use their own systems. Dunno how well that's working.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-11-15 15:45:44 UTC
*use a map for a change.... Plenty of fight in zero sec.
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#3 - 2015-11-15 15:46:54 UTC
Johan Civire wrote:
*use a map for a change.... Plenty of fight in zero sec.



How do you fight an enemy you can't harm?

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Jenshae Chiroptera
#4 - 2015-11-15 15:48:00 UTC
You have been in a reasonable sized alliance before. I don't think there is anything to say that you shouldn't know already.

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Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-11-15 15:52:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
You have been in a reasonable sized alliance before. I don't think there is anything to say that you shouldn't know already.



The only things that hurt were the hit and run blobs constantly present. But the only ones who get hurt in that scenario are the ones not roaming elsewhere. The ones making isk.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#6 - 2015-11-15 16:08:28 UTC
As in any strategy game, to kill your enemy the most critical blow is to kill their economy.

In the past, I found that hitting the botters had a good effect on pissing off the russians, but this is certainly true of any alliance I'm sure.
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#7 - 2015-11-15 18:37:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
Kuronaga wrote:
As in any strategy game, to kill your enemy the most critical blow is to kill their economy.

In the past, I found that hitting the botters had a good effect on pissing off the russians, but this is certainly true of any alliance I'm sure.



Just got to find their bots, usually in lowsec you'll only find their pvp logon alts. Then there's the fact their bots are previously said 0.8 sec, refuge farming gilas. Sooooo....

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Trajan Unknown
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-11-15 18:49:58 UTC
There might come a time where npc corps are no no brainer anymore and one can join them but actually pays the price for that by getting involved into their political games and wars. Until than it is like it is. :)
Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#9 - 2015-11-15 19:30:09 UTC
What the heck do NPC corps have to do with the problems named by the OP?
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-11-15 21:35:14 UTC
All of Eve should be low sec.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-11-15 22:25:04 UTC
Can someone explain to me the OP point?

I'm my own NPC alt.
Christopher AET
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-11-15 23:09:56 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
Can someone explain to me the OP point?


I think he is complaining because he can't single handedly kick out entire alliances?

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Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#13 - 2015-11-15 23:20:10 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
Can someone explain to me the OP point?


It sounds like he is mad because he cannot carebear in peace out in nullsec, and he lacks the means to properly gank people carebearing in highsec whom he imagines are the alts of the people who are disrupting his nullsec carebearing.

Or something. Maybe.


> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl
Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2015-11-15 23:45:06 UTC
What exactly is the problem here? You can't kill farmers all day and buy plex? D'uh why would people want to give you those kind of kills?

Wars happen all the time. Or at least Rivalries. We have a few groups in Bleak Lands who's day we try especially hard to ruin (and have had our day ruined by them more than once!) All in all, it's GREAT fun.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#15 - 2015-11-16 01:07:47 UTC
just because you can't make isk in low/null doesn't mean other players can't. there are a lot of interesting opportunities out there. not to mention the alliance level income streams. That said there has been some crazy shenanigans going on with highsec income lately. but the afk gila probably isn't a good example of that. Although I haven't compared afk mission gila to afk null anom gila.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#16 - 2015-11-16 03:09:30 UTC
You can make decent ISK relatively safely in high-sec.

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Shitposting Forum Alt
Doomheim
#17 - 2015-11-16 20:30:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Shitposting Forum Alt
Are the forums always this ******** or is it just this one guy?
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#18 - 2015-11-16 20:39:23 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
You can make decent ISK relatively safely in high-sec.

I know of two hisec systems where I always see the same Goons running missions.

The average system population for both systems is probably around 7.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#19 - 2015-11-16 21:39:21 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
Johan Civire wrote:
*use a map for a change.... Plenty of fight in zero sec.



How do you fight an enemy you can't harm?

By being someone who cannot be harmed. You have three slots in your account. You too can have alts.

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Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#20 - 2015-11-16 22:11:09 UTC
You are 100% correct OP, for EvE to work as intended the alt culture has to go. Unfortunately for CCP this is likely an impossible task.

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