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Will we be allowed to change character names?

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Dyllan Ma'tar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2015-11-15 02:11:22 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:


If you choose to not type nonsense I'll be happy to discuss/counter your points made. till then I'll just call it for what it is.


Good for you!
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#62 - 2015-11-15 02:24:29 UTC
Any name change makes it basically impossible to know who is who from local.
This is bad. Even if history is kept it still impacts on actual game play.

I would not be against a 'nickname' being added to the character sheet and people having the option to display nicknames if they wanted to, while the default remains 'Registered name'.
That would allow 'changing names' without actually affecting the game systems like a real name change would.
Avvy
Doomheim
#63 - 2015-11-15 03:22:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Any name change makes it basically impossible to know who is who from local.
This is bad. Even if history is kept it still impacts on actual game play.

I would not be against a 'nickname' being added to the character sheet and people having the option to display nicknames if they wanted to, while the default remains 'Registered name'.
That would allow 'changing names' without actually affecting the game systems like a real name change would.



So, you're worried some bad guy will change their name and you won't recognise them in local.

So some guy will use a PLEX and as soon as he did anything bad he would have to use another PLEX.

Would it really be worth his costs to do that?


They could always add a restriction so that there was a set amount of time between the change and when you could change it again.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#64 - 2015-11-15 03:40:40 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Avvy wrote:
[So, you're worried some bad guy will change their name and you won't recognise them in local.

So some guy will use a PLEX and as soon as he did anything bad he would have to use another PLEX.

Would it really be worth his costs to do that?

You are talking about a game where players have...

- infiltrated other corporations and alliances and spent a year working their way up the ranks... just to assassinate an alliance leader in his blinged out ship and steal everything of value from the alliance.

- created a half dozen accounts to min/max various PvE content in order to make the most money per hour.

- done this. (granted, he created the setup for other reasons, but still... wtf?)

- bought 72 PLEXes and undocked in an untanked frigate in one of the busiest and lethal trade hubs in the game.

- used and spent several trillion ISK to play market shenanigans in a rival alliance's station with an alt character spy... for weeks.

- gamed a newly revamped Faction Warfare system to play the market and drive PLEX prices up 100%+ in less than a month using convoluted tricks (this happened in 2013).

- allegedly cut the powercables to a guy's apartment in REAL LIFE just to kill his Titan in-game.


Yeah... people would totally do it just for that reason.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#65 - 2015-11-15 05:35:12 UTC
Choices have consequences, if you chose a silly name then too bad. If you chose to buy a character with a silly name then too bad. If you don't like the result of your choices then blame yourself.
Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#66 - 2015-11-15 07:30:33 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Choices have consequences, if you chose a silly name then too bad. If you chose to buy a character with a silly name then too bad. If you don't like the result of your choices then blame yourself.

Um, you understand that this is a video game and not deadly serious living in a war zone where choosing poorly can cost you your life type stuff, right?

Players shouldn't be punished forever just because they made up a goofy name when they were on the free trial and didn't even know if they would be staying in the game. There are possible ways, many of which have been discussed over the years on these forums, to allow name changes while not allowing the change to act as a cover for past (mis)deeds.

No one's asking CCP to cure cancer or develop cold nuclear fusion here. It shouldn't be that difficult to come up with a workable system to allow name changes while maintaining accountability. Just takes will on the part of CCP and acceptance of change by the hard line bittervet types.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#67 - 2015-11-15 07:46:02 UTC
Nick Bete wrote:

Um, you understand that this is a video game and not deadly serious living in a war zone where choosing poorly can cost you your life type stuff, right?

Players shouldn't be punished forever just because they made up a goofy name when they were on the free trial and didn't even know if they would be staying in the game. There are possible ways, many of which have been discussed over the years on these forums, to allow name changes while not allowing the change to act as a cover for past (mis)deeds.

No one's asking CCP to cure cancer or develop cold nuclear fusion here. It shouldn't be that difficult to come up with a workable system to allow name changes while maintaining accountability. Just takes will on the part of CCP and acceptance of change by the hard line bittervet types.

Except for the fact that they haven't covered the possible ways one might use a name change.
The only way to allow name changes without messing with some significant factor of gameplay is to use nicknames which players have the option to display or not display on other people as they wish.
Every other proposal does not cover one or more areas.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#68 - 2015-11-15 13:03:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Dont worry about scammers, they will perservere no matter what.

Now we have more serious thing than name changes, like characters changing their owners. I am talking about personality and skills and all of that. Completely other human playing the same character.
Avvy
Doomheim
#69 - 2015-11-15 14:52:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
Gregor Parud wrote:
Choices have consequences, if you chose a silly name then too bad. If you chose to buy a character with a silly name then too bad. If you don't like the result of your choices then blame yourself.



I don't totally disagree with you.

Even in the real world they recognize the need for some people to be able to change their name.
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#70 - 2015-11-15 19:37:10 UTC
Avvy wrote:
Moac Tor wrote:
Avvy wrote:
Moac Tor wrote:
You should be able to wipe your characters identity.... but you lose 20% of your total SP in the process.

On top of the PLEX you pay to the CCP that should be enough of a deterrent to stop abuse.

One thing I really don't want to see is they implement this and make it traceable, it is annoying enough already to scroll through corp history when trying to PvP, let alone a full history of the various names a character has had.

Also if they do this then they can completely scrap the terrible skill trading proposal.



Definitely not, the history should stay intact.

Changing a name is one thing, wiping out its history is another.

Like I said losing 20% is enough of a deterrent to stop abuse. It is effectively a different character in practical purposes with such a big chunk of SP being removed.

I was hoping it would register that my proposal was pretty harsh against name change, you didn't seem to understand that though.



Can you change your own history?

In witness protection they may give you a false one, but that doesn't mean your own history has altered.

We are in a super futuristic sci fi universe in which we can reincarnate ourselves into different bodies, so is it implausible that we have no way to change our name or identity?

I have nothing against name change or even an identity wipe in principle, I think it adds another nice twist to the universe. But I wouldn't want it to be easy as the possibilities of abuse are obvious, and so for that reason I would only be happy if you lose 20% of your total SP pool in the process.

That being said if someone really wants to change their identity and have a new start then why not let them instead of having to start a new character from scratch?

Also this discussion will be irrelevant if CCP implements the terrible skill trading proposal they announced as you will be able to simply buy a new character and train them up with skill packets with no trace of your previous identity.
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#71 - 2015-11-15 19:39:15 UTC
Vilar Diin wrote:
It's simple enough just add a tab entitled "known Aliases". It would actually add more depth to the game since people adopt different names for various reason in real life.

What is the point then. If you made a silly name originally then everyone will still see your silly name as your alias.
Avvy
Doomheim
#72 - 2015-11-15 19:52:22 UTC
Moac Tor wrote:
Avvy wrote:
Moac Tor wrote:
Avvy wrote:
Moac Tor wrote:
You should be able to wipe your characters identity.... but you lose 20% of your total SP in the process.

On top of the PLEX you pay to the CCP that should be enough of a deterrent to stop abuse.

One thing I really don't want to see is they implement this and make it traceable, it is annoying enough already to scroll through corp history when trying to PvP, let alone a full history of the various names a character has had.

Also if they do this then they can completely scrap the terrible skill trading proposal.



Definitely not, the history should stay intact.

Changing a name is one thing, wiping out its history is another.

Like I said losing 20% is enough of a deterrent to stop abuse. It is effectively a different character in practical purposes with such a big chunk of SP being removed.

I was hoping it would register that my proposal was pretty harsh against name change, you didn't seem to understand that though.



Can you change your own history?

In witness protection they may give you a false one, but that doesn't mean your own history has altered.

We are in a super futuristic sci fi universe in which we can reincarnate ourselves into different bodies, so is it implausible that we have no way to change our name or identity?

I have nothing against name change or even an identity wipe in principle, I think it adds another nice twist to the universe. But I wouldn't want it to be easy as the possibilities of abuse are obvious, and so for that reason I would only be happy if you lose 20% of your total SP pool in the process.

That being said if someone really wants to change their identity and have a new start then why not let them instead of having to start a new character from scratch?

Also this discussion will be irrelevant if CCP implements the terrible skill trading proposal they announced as you will be able to simply buy a new character and train them up with skill packets with no trace of your previous identity.



Problem is some people are already paranoid enough as it is. Do you really want to make them more paranoid?
Dyllan Ma'tar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2015-11-16 05:04:20 UTC
Nick Bete wrote:
Um, you understand that this is a video game and not deadly serious living in a war zone where choosing poorly can cost you your life type stuff, right?


I don't think he does.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2015-11-16 05:39:20 UTC

If a name change isn't needed on Gmail, I don't see why it's needed here.

Both have the same policy to a name change: If you want to change it, make a new character.

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Kaelynne Rose
WTB Somalians
#75 - 2015-11-20 15:51:26 UTC
I would like to add an additional 'n' in my name and would be willing to pay ccp 2 Plex for 1 'n'

Get paid ccp.

Think of all the Virtual Reality crap you guys can buy if you allow pay for name changes in eve.

$$
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#76 - 2015-11-20 15:57:11 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:

If a name change isn't needed on Gmail, I don't see why it's needed here.

Both have the same policy to a name change: If you want to change it, make a new character.



you dont trade email accounts nor invest time to build an email account, an email account is easily just deleted and you can also forward any mail from the old to the new. so silly comparison.

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