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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2221 - 2012-01-06 23:33:28 UTC
Syphon Lodian wrote:
Am I understanding this correctly... Mostly aimed at the hardcore WiS opponents in this threadnaught...

You hate WiS, you hate the concept of it, and you will never use it ever. So, much in the same way that you never used CQ once and disabled station environment and started shooting statues for hours.. you'll just not use it because it's not worth it and it will kill EVE, etc.

BUT.

According to your logic, it would need "gameplay elements" to be accepted. So let me get this straight. You completely hate it, but you'd like for it to have essential gameplay elements (i.e. probably not totally optional and somewhat compulsory). Basically, arguing against yourselves.

I've seen a few decent ideas from the WiS haters, albeit sarcastic, but still some progress. Like bringing a head to the bounty office and ripping implants from it. Neat concept, but EVE is rated Teen, so no... implied perhaps, but no.


Even if WiS just used the current game engine to introduce some sort of player controlled robot fighting it would be better than a stupid social sim. Nothing flashy or expensive, it would give an "arena" of sorts for people into that sort of thing and as long as the robots are player produced and get damaged or destroyed it would be OK.
Taiwanistan
#2222 - 2012-01-07 06:06:03 UTC
Syphon Lodian wrote:
Am I understanding this correctly... Mostly aimed at the hardcore WiS opponents in this threadnaught...

You hate WiS, you hate the concept of it, and you will never use it ever. So, much in the same way that you never used CQ once and disabled station environment and started shooting statues for hours.. you'll just not use it because it's not worth it and it will kill EVE, etc.

BUT.

According to your logic, it would need "gameplay elements" to be accepted. So let me get this straight. You completely hate it, but you'd like for it to have essential gameplay elements (i.e. probably not totally optional and somewhat compulsory). Basically, arguing against yourselves.

I've seen a few decent ideas from the WiS haters, albeit sarcastic, but still some progress. Like bringing a head to the bounty office and ripping implants from it. Neat concept, but EVE is rated Teen, so no... implied perhaps, but no.


yes i will still hate it, if they really come through with the ripping implants out of heads thing,
after i collect a good number like 50 or so heads i would turn on cq, walk to the lab, rip the implants and sell the implants on the market and turn off cq again
why? for the isk, (i am not exactly space-rich)
i am a wis hater but if there are compelling amounts of isk involved i would deal with it all HTFU-like
http://incursions.nexsoft.de/?mode=guide&sid=1&id=10
wow just imagine what i could rip off of those heads

and for the industrialists they can have a ton of new stuff to make, ammo, vehicles, etc to for the dust dudes (if the ps3 dudes have the isk to pay for it)

but so far ccp has no "roadmap" for wis except for 2 measly words, establishments, and smuggling (smuggling how? multi-layers of a stations?) and and taking ccp at their word so far i am going to assume that wis is going to be crap for at least 2 years.

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#2223 - 2012-01-07 08:53:47 UTC
Come on CCP, I know a lot of you from my stint in the CSM.. We deserve some clarification.

Just let us know you aren't cowering in a corner after the lame FiS only statue shooter protests. We WiS folks don't roll that way. We will forum and hope you find your way again, and we'll leave on our own terms, not as a block. Just silently part of your decline because after a thread like this without ever a simple response you tell us "f-you, go away!" Your stupid believe in our promise of ambulation means you can never be part of our 0.0 giant alliance end game focus makes you useless.

CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to.

Do I have to be a wood elf bard again??????

Issler
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2224 - 2012-01-07 10:25:39 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Come on CCP, I know a lot of you from my stint in the CSM.. We deserve some clarification.

Just let us know you aren't cowering in a corner after the lame FiS only statue shooter protests. We WiS folks don't roll that way. We will forum and hope you find your way again, and we'll leave on our own terms, not as a block. Just silently part of your decline because after a thread like this without ever a simple response you tell us "f-you, go away!" Your stupid believe in our promise of ambulation means you can never be part of our 0.0 giant alliance end game focus makes you useless.

CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to.

Do I have to be a wood elf bard again??????

Issler



Like people have posted over and over, you have had your answers. Are you stupid? Why cant you understand "WIS is on the back burner and we have no current plans".

I think thats pretty clear.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#2225 - 2012-01-07 10:53:37 UTC
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Come on CCP, I know a lot of you from my stint in the CSM.. We deserve some clarification.

Just let us know you aren't cowering in a corner after the lame FiS only statue shooter protests. We WiS folks don't roll that way. We will forum and hope you find your way again, and we'll leave on our own terms, not as a block. Just silently part of your decline because after a thread like this without ever a simple response you tell us "f-you, go away!" Your stupid believe in our promise of ambulation means you can never be part of our 0.0 giant alliance end game focus makes you useless.

CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to.

Do I have to be a wood elf bard again??????

Issler



Like people have posted over and over, you have had your answers. Are you stupid? Why cant you understand "WIS is on the back burner and we have no current plans".

I think thats pretty clear.


No, they have not answered in OUR thread, in OUR terms.

Whatever they have to say, they must say it here, clearly. We've been after this thread for over two months and sitll nobody CCP has come to comment on topic.
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2226 - 2012-01-07 11:33:31 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Come on CCP, I know a lot of you from my stint in the CSM.. We deserve some clarification.

Just let us know you aren't cowering in a corner after the lame FiS only statue shooter protests. We WiS folks don't roll that way. We will forum and hope you find your way again, and we'll leave on our own terms, not as a block. Just silently part of your decline because after a thread like this without ever a simple response you tell us "f-you, go away!" Your stupid believe in our promise of ambulation means you can never be part of our 0.0 giant alliance end game focus makes you useless.

CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to.

Do I have to be a wood elf bard again??????

Issler



Like people have posted over and over, you have had your answers. Are you stupid? Why cant you understand "WIS is on the back burner and we have no current plans".

I think thats pretty clear.


No, they have not answered in OUR thread, in OUR terms.

Whatever they have to say, they must say it here, clearly. We've been after this thread for over two months and sitll nobody CCP has come to comment on topic.


Why should they come to the thread when they have said it a million times already? Have you thought about why they have not posted in this thread? Maybe the thread is ****. Maybe they don't want to answer a bunch of people having a tantrum, they had enough of that last summer. Maybe they don't want to repeat themselves when they have made the situation is clear. Maybe they don't want to post in a trolled thread.

There is any number of reasons CCP have not posted here. Still you have your answers, why should they post on your terms at all?
Taiwanistan
#2227 - 2012-01-07 11:34:51 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Come on CCP, I know a lot of you from my stint in the CSM.. We deserve some clarification.

Just let us know you aren't cowering in a corner after the lame FiS only statue shooter protests. We WiS folks don't roll that way. We will forum and hope you find your way again, and we'll leave on our own terms, not as a block. Just silently part of your decline because after a thread like this without ever a simple response you tell us "f-you, go away!" Your stupid believe in our promise of ambulation means you can never be part of our 0.0 giant alliance end game focus makes you useless.

CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to.

Do I have to be a wood elf bard again??????

Issler


lol you sound mad, but like madness

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#2228 - 2012-01-07 12:05:26 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:


CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to.

Do I have to be a wood elf bard again??????


Back in the day, they treated hysterical women with electricity, but that seems to be the least of your personal problems if you are paying CCP $600 a month for your seven accounts though I am sure they won't mind.

And yes, be a wood elf again.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2229 - 2012-01-07 13:02:02 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Come on CCP, I know a lot of you from my stint in the CSM.. We deserve some clarification.

Just let us know you aren't cowering in a corner after the lame FiS only statue shooter protests. We WiS folks don't roll that way. We will forum and hope you find your way again, and we'll leave on our own terms, not as a block. Just silently part of your decline because after a thread like this without ever a simple response you tell us "f-you, go away!" Your stupid believe in our promise of ambulation means you can never be part of our 0.0 giant alliance end game focus makes you useless.

CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to.

Do I have to be a wood elf bard again??????

Issler



Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:

No, they have not answered in OUR thread, in OUR terms.

Whatever they have to say, they must say it here, clearly. We've been after this thread for over two months and sitll nobody CCP has come to comment on topic.


LOL, don't let the door in your Captain's closet hit you two in the ass on your way out. CCP already answered you here, in this very thread. I guess you missed it, because you can't see through your tears (which are delicious).

A handful of players stamping their feet, making threats, telling CCP what they must do, while acting like children will never convince them to give you any attention. If you cannot wait until March when players and CCP are face to face then you should definitely HTFU, GTFO and GBTW, a game much more suited for children.

Seriously, just listen to yourselves. Don't threaten to quit, JUST DO IT ALREADY!

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
robbyx
#2230 - 2012-01-07 13:16:44 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Come on CCP, I know a lot of you from my stint in the CSM.. We deserve some clarification.

Just let us know you aren't cowering in a corner after the lame FiS only statue shooter protests. We WiS folks don't roll that way. We will forum and hope you find your way again, and we'll leave on our own terms, not as a block. Just silently part of your decline because after a thread like this without ever a simple response you tell us "f-you, go away!" Your stupid believe in our promise of ambulation means you can never be part of our 0.0 giant alliance end game focus makes you useless.

CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to.

Do I have to be a wood elf bard again??????

Issler



Like people have posted over and over, you have had your answers. Are you stupid? Why cant you understand "WIS is on the back burner and we have no current plans".

I think thats pretty clear.


No, they have not answered in OUR thread, in OUR terms.

Whatever they have to say, they must say it here, clearly. We've been after this thread for over two months and sitll nobody CCP has come to comment on topic.



LOL what a pathetically ridiculous self deluded sense of self entitlement you have.....personally if i was a CCP dev id buy a baseball bat, etch "BACKBURNER" into it then smack you right in the forehead with it...honestly seems to be the only way the message will get through.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#2231 - 2012-01-07 13:55:06 UTC
and there it goes ,finally some constructive discussion and we got some new throlls
and of course screaming the same as the other few trolls,nothing new
at least the old trolls were able to put in some constructive replies


we know that CCP stated that WIS is on the backburner.
Butt the lack of info regarding that decision ,that is wat we ask
We all know CCP acted in panic
All we want to know :
how far was WIS before it was put on Ice
What were the expatiations regarding WIS in the future
And if possible do they see any chance ,to go back at WIS and keep everybody happy

We put it on the backburner,doesn,t answer these questions

R.S.I2014
Cindy Marco
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2232 - 2012-01-07 14:03:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Cindy Marco
I think its pretty clear that WIS was a complete failure. I have nothing against it, and it might even have been a decent feature. But CCP dropped the ball and most people have lost faith in it.

After years of planning it took them 7 months to add one captains quarter and another 5 for the next three while another team (WoD) was working on the engine. I have no faith left in their ability to create WiS content. What should we expect for stations? 2 years per race? More?

I think CCP rightly fears the backlash they will see if they try to put out another 6 or 7 Incarnas in a row.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#2233 - 2012-01-07 14:06:48 UTC
Cindy Marco wrote:
I think its pretty clear that WIS was a complete failure. I have nothing against it, and it might even have been a decent feature. But CCP dropped the ball and most people have lost faith in it.

After years of planning it took them 7 months to add one captains quarter and another 5 for the next three while another team (WoD) was working on the engine. I have no faith left in their ability to create WiS content. What should we expect for stations? 2 years per race? More?

I think CCP rightly fears the backlash they will see if they try to put out another 6 or 7 Incarnas in a row.



we don,t ask for another Incarna

R.S.I2014
Taiwanistan
#2234 - 2012-01-07 14:18:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Taiwanistan
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


Whatever they have to say, they must say it here, clearly. We've been after this thread for over two months and sitll nobody CCP has come to comment on topic.

with this kind of posting you can't blame us trolls for trolling

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#2235 - 2012-01-07 14:45:19 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:


LOL, don't let the door in your Captain's closet hit you two in the ass on your way out. CCP already answered you here, in this very thread. I guess you missed it, because you can't see through your tears (which are delicious).


What does make you think that you know this thread better than I? Do you seriously think i may have missed the blue tag left on this thread when CCP Phantom moderated it on October 27th, as can be seen in page 12, post #225? Roll
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2236 - 2012-01-07 15:02:53 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:


LOL, don't let the door in your Captain's closet hit you two in the ass on your way out. CCP already answered you here, in this very thread. I guess you missed it, because you can't see through your tears (which are delicious).


What does make you think that you know this thread better than I? Do you seriously think i may have missed the blue tag left on this thread when CCP Phantom moderated it on October 27th, as can be seen in page 12, post #225? Roll



Because you still think you can dictate terms to CCP, by claiming they didn't answer you, when they did. You are either an idiot, or just acting like a baby hoping CCP will come and stick a pacifier in your mouth.

In either case you should just leave if the answers you have already received are not sufficient.

case in point:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


Whatever they have to say, they must say it here, clearly. We've been after this thread for over two months and sitll nobody CCP has come to comment on topic.



They've already said it clearly, they have no plans. When they do have plans they will tell us. Bitching every day in this thread that you are being ignored is not going to magically create a workable gameplan. If you have suggestions for CCP there is a forum area specifically for contributing and a thread already exists there. All you are doing here is proving to everyone you know how to act like a child when you don't get something you want.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2237 - 2012-01-07 15:10:30 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
All you are doing here is proving to everyone you know how to act like a child when you don't get something you want.



Give the space barbie supporters credit where its due, they are doing more than that.

They are entertaining us as well.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2238 - 2012-01-07 17:43:38 UTC
I see a lot of trolling happening now.

That Blue Tag on page 12 in this thread was:

CCP Phantom wrote:
Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic, thank you. I read quite a lot of good discussions, arguments forth and back. But please remember to stay polite, even if emotions might run high.

We all love EVE and it is pretty sure that there are so many good ways for expansion. As far as I understand it is less about if but when we are going to do all these things. In the upcoming winter expansion we are going to release the three racial Captains quarters, new ships, features and a lot of stuff.


It's really ironic to see this post on page 8.

Cozmik R5 wrote:
I'm not reading thru 12 pages for this...

THE UNDOCK BUTTON IS RIGHT THERE !!!





<----------


That means about 4 pages worth of posted replies were removed.


Then someone (I know who it was) got butthurt and reported my posted reply on page 18:

DeMichael Crimson wrote:
FiS has just about run out of areas to expand on for new game content. The Final Frontier is WiS and the last stop will be combining FiS and WiS. This game is evolving and needs to expand. Eve is changing and you'll either have to adapt or go jump into a Bio-Vat.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I love FiS and I welcome WiS into the game. But I'd rather have CCP fix and finish all existing game content first before working on any new content, even if it takes CCP a few years to do it. The funny thing is just by doing that it'll seem like new content has been added.

Edit: Personal attack removed, CCP Phantom.


I guess since CCP Phantom had already posted once in the thread, he didn't need to post again because I didn't see any other Dev post. I stopped checking after page 50. Maybe someone else would like to check page 51 and up to see if there are any other Dev replies posted.

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#2239 - 2012-01-07 18:02:06 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I see a lot of trolling happening now.

That Blue Tag on page 12 in this thread was:

CCP Phantom wrote:
Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic, thank you. I read quite a lot of good discussions, arguments forth and back. But please remember to stay polite, even if emotions might run high.

We all love EVE and it is pretty sure that there are so many good ways for expansion. As far as I understand it is less about if but when we are going to do all these things. In the upcoming winter expansion we are going to release the three racial Captains quarters, new ships, features and a lot of stuff.


It's really ironic to see this post on page 8.

Cozmik R5 wrote:
I'm not reading thru 12 pages for this...

THE UNDOCK BUTTON IS RIGHT THERE !!!


<----------


That means about 4 pages worth of posted replies were removed.


Then someone (I know who it was) got butthurt and reported my posted reply on page 18:

DeMichael Crimson wrote:
FiS has just about run out of areas to expand on for new game content. The Final Frontier is WiS and the last stop will be combining FiS and WiS. This game is evolving and needs to expand. Eve is changing and you'll either have to adapt or go jump into a Bio-Vat.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I love FiS and I welcome WiS into the game. But I'd rather have CCP fix and finish all existing game content first before working on any new content, even if it takes CCP a few years to do it. The funny thing is just by doing that it'll seem like new content has been added.

Edit: Personal attack removed, CCP Phantom.


I guess since CCP Phantom had already posted once in the thread, he didn't need to post again because I didn't see any other Dev post. I stopped checking after page 50. Maybe someone else would like to check page 51 and up to see if there are any other Dev replies posted.


I've been reading this thread since October 27th and... that's all.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#2240 - 2012-01-07 21:32:20 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:


CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to.

Do I have to be a wood elf bard again??????


Back in the day, they treated hysterical women with electricity, but that seems to be the least of your personal problems if you are paying CCP $600 a month for your seven accounts though I am sure they won't mind.

And yes, be a wood elf again.


The dollar figure includes other players that would leave with me as well.

Issler