EVE General Discussion

Sometime between. Since you used to be able to tank concord, which lead to a certain.... 'incident' which resulted in the current concord.
And why anyone with a brain knows tankable concord coming back would ruin the game.

2012 I think:

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/exploit-notification-boomerang-avoiding-concord-in-high-security-space.-updated/

Boomerang is no longer an exploit, since it's not possible to do anymore.

Edit: Though, it might have been declared an exploit to avoid CONCORD before then too. (I see you got in below while I was editing too. So sorry for that).

History Lesson

Back when EVE was young (circa 2004 to 2005) the main trade hub of EVE of Yulai. The reason for this was because there used to be "superhighways" between Yulai and all the main "capital regions" of the four factions.
(NOTE: CCP removed these highways to promote more "regional markets" rather than one centralized market hub... which, from their point of view, would promote more prices differences and thus more conflict).

Around this same time, CONCORD used to be tankable. And I mean that literally. You could actually tank CONCORD.

Then an infamous "pirate corporation" by the name of MoO decided to test how tankable it was. MoO assembled their members and, fitted with remote reps, decided to camp one of the "superhighway" gates leading to Yulai.
MoO camped the gate for hours... nuking everyone and anyone who came through and tanking CONCORD at the same time.

After awhile, enough people complained that the DEVs got involved. They kindly asked MoO to stop and go elsewhere. MoO responded by giving the DEVs the finger.
So the DEVs did what anyone with godlike-server-hacks does to disobedient people in a war-soaked dystopian game; they teleported all the present members of MoO to the outer reaches of the map... separately. They all had to make their way back to high-sec alone.

Soon after... CONCORD was buffed to their current strength (see: they insta-gib offenders after a small period of time) and the "no avoidance" rule was created. But it doesn't stop there.


Fast forward to 2008-2009... CONCORD is again buffed to their current response times (5 seconds for 1.0 space, 15 seconds for 0.5 space).


Fast forward again to 2012-ish. People have now found ways to "skirt" around the "no avoidance of CONCORD" rule.
The "boomerang" tactic was where you would attack/gank someone and then warp off (provided you ganked fast enough and were already aligned). This allowed people to select two targets and gank both before succumbing to CONCORD.

While technically this trick did not violate the rule of "no avoiding CONCORD" (because CONCORD would catch up to you by the time one started the second gank) the DEVs decided that it violated the "spirit" of the rule. So they coded in a new rule that disallowed warping as soon as "illegal aggression" occurred in high-sec.


tldr; it has been a long, long time since the rule was created. But that doesn't stop people from pushing some boundaries. And the DEVs seem okay with this as long as no blatant avoidance of CONCORD retribution occurs.

Unsure. Most of my pre-2009 knowledge has come from bittervets who have been playing since the game began.
I would like to say soon after the Yulai incident. But I cannot confirm that without digging through mountains of patch notes (and sobering up). Which I am not really inclined to do (for both things ).

What I can say for sure is that the rule of "no avoidance" has been getting tighter and tighter as the years have gone by.

Nah, I dont think the Yulai incident was the trigger.

I remember back from 2004/05 i think when you could still tank concord in a dread, and yes, we used to have capitals in high sec..

Shortly after someone "abused" that, concord got buffed to instagibbing stuff..

Thanks. It was one of those curiosities I had. I had initially played EVE on release, but because I had no love at the time for paying a monthly fee, I dropped the game and had an on/off relationship with it until recently. There just end up being funny tid bits that get missed over time when one is not playing EVE - this is one of them.

History lesson: Tank CEO is responsible for probably 70% of the rules in EVE, if not more. Including this one.

I think that in some point during the boomerang period it was also possible to escape to wormhole to avoid wrath of concord totally.... but could be that I remember wrong.

At some point this was changed and you got a message akin to 'Voodoo magic stops you from entering the wormhole'