Player Features and Ideas Discussion

We are as safe as you allow us to be.

Sometimes pointing to a fire exit is the best you can do. If they run screaming the other way.... they'll be screaming for the rest of their lives.

I think CCP should just remove freighters and JF from the game for 2 months straight. Then give them back. That would probably calm a lot of this crap down a notch or 2.

Nah, just reverse the last 8 years of nerfs to ganking for a month. A few weeks of slow concord response times, fully insured BC and battleships whacking them and a return to untanked barges being profitable to kill will do the trick. For even more fun take us back to tankable concord.

Maybe you should stop trying to mind read. I have not complained about fatigue. I'm fairly agnostic on the topic. I see both sides of the problem (power projection, big blue donuts...and that now the map seems quite a bit more fragmented). As for JF's I think they are still a necessary part of having a NS that is as interesting as it currently is and that is not saying much. However, if changes can be made that make NS more self-sufficient I'm fine with nerfing JFs. As for supers and docking, that is one reason I've never wanted one. If a player gets one and then regrets it because its a space coffin....the item bazaar and character bazaar are that way. ----> Go sell your **** and get back to where you want to be.

My point is, that just because I don't show up in every thread saying, "Stop whining for CCP to pat your poopoo." Doesn't mean I have somehow tacitly approved of those views. Your attempt to link those views to me is rather dishonest. Must I have a giant disclaimer listing every possible whine from players where I explicitly stake out my position?

I haven't seen you not complain about PLEX Prices, shall I lump you in with those dingbats who complain about PLEX prices and don't seem to get the concept of opportunity costs?

Sigh. Exactly how do you propose to balance PvP on how much loot the target is carrying? After the insurance and other nerfs, ganking is not profitable unless the target chooses to overload/overfit their ship. T2 miners are not profitable to gank, nor is a empty/sanely loaded freighter/hauler. How much more do you want it to cost?

Ganking is only profitable when the target makes it so. The "value" and thus gank risk of a ship is completely controlled by the player who decides to undock it. Players have the choice to save time/increase yield by stuffing a bunch of loot, or fitting a bunch of bling to their ships, or they have the choice to play it safe and stay below the threshold that makes them a profitable gank target. All the cards are in the hand of the potential gank victim.

CCP has designed the game such that the other players can call each other on risky behaviour. Do you even understand what type of game you are playing?

Your incessent bleating to add more EHP for your capital ship so you and your compatriats can more safely enjoy watching Neflix while you haul is getting a little tiresome. You will not get it. CCP has designed the game so criminals can operate in highsec and serve as risk to your hauling efforts. Feel free to whine and plead on the forums for CCP to save you from the the "evil gankers", but the reality is the game is working as intended, and is working largely how it has for over a dozen years since its inception.

You are expected to defend your stuff, not CONCORD. If you don't like it, there are plenty of other games out there where you cannot lose, no matter how inattentive, AFK, or just plain bad at the game you actually are. Eve is not one of those however.

What this all boils down to is...in this game you mitigate your own risk. Use a scout. Use your watchlist. Use webs. Don't load your freighter up with 10 billion in Stuff™. Consider other options. In my case I rarely move big expensive items, but I have moved expensive items....in a crane or viator. The speed and covert ops cloak and manual flying makes me nearly uncatchable. If you can't be bothered to do this...Red Frog. There are loads of options here to reduce/mitigate your risk. If you are too lazy, greedy, or just plain vanilla stupid to use them...that is not CCP's problem. Seriously a scout will go a long, long way towards solving the problem. He sees that bumper, warns you, you dock up. Come back later when its clear.

double post

I expend the effort to protect my alt's Charon, and after years I still have the same one. Never been bumped in it, never been ganked in it. I see nothing wrong with expecting others to do the same. It's not like it's hard to keep from getting ganked.

Trust me, i don't like carebear too, but atm suicide ganker state of minde is REALLY close to carebear.

I really don't see how.

One actually plays the game, the other ambles around afk and expects to be safe. One understands the nature of EVE and embraces it, the other rails against it and asks CCP to change the game to suit them. One wants to play EVE Online, the other wants Farmville in space.

They could not be more different, and it's foolishness to try and equate the two.