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Slight rebalance of mining barges - ?reduce AFK mining
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Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-11-14 03:54:57 UTC
Nothing wrong with afk mining, but atk Mining should have its rewards. More than just not losing as many exhumers as afkers,
reward people for actively playing the game, rather than just gaming it.

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Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#22 - 2015-11-14 06:30:43 UTC
Shitposting Forum Alt wrote:
Miners like the way mining works

No, they don't.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#23 - 2015-11-14 06:44:14 UTC
As a miner, I'm content with the way mining works - doesn't mean I like it......

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-11-14 09:38:06 UTC
Darth Squeemus wrote:
What's wrong with AFK miners? If they want to lose their stuff because of inattentiveness, let them.

If fit properly in high sec, one does not need to be present to prevent the loss of one's ship.

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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2015-11-14 13:25:06 UTC
Faxat wrote:
Not the worst idea, currently the biggest "balance" to the retriever vs procurer is a catalyst.

One thing though - don't assume that miners all go afk while mining, while it certainly happens, it feels like ehat people rather do is to log on multiple accounts and mine 2- 7x the amount.

I would rather they combat this rampant alt/afk mining by implementing minigames to mining to increase yield efficiency. Use something like the "heat" map from PI and have people manually reposition their lasers effectively trippling/quad'ing the yield. The current system just enables eve"s forever present pay2win mentality.


want mini-games in your

select target
press F1

missions or pvp



no.

didn't think so
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#26 - 2015-11-14 14:16:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Donnachadh
Xe'Cara'eos wrote:
Donnachadh wrote:
Faxat wrote:
Not the worst idea, currently the biggest "balance" to the retriever vs procurer is a catalyst.

One thing though - don't assume that miners all go afk while mining, while it certainly happens, it feels like ehat people rather do is to log on multiple accounts and mine 2- 7x the amount.

I would rather they combat this rampant alt/afk mining by implementing minigames to mining to increase yield efficiency. Use something like the "heat" map from PI and have people manually reposition their lasers effectively trippling/quad'ing the yield. The current system just enables eve"s forever present pay2win mentality.

Mini-games will change nothing the afk miners will just use more alts to counter the lower yields, or just mine for a longer period of time to counter the lower yields.

Let's face facts here mining does not really require much in the way of movement, hell even drones mining or otherwise can be set to an automated mode so how do you know if a miner you are watching is truly AFK?

In the end I find myself in agreement with FT Diomedes.
If you hate AFK miners then
1. Join CODE in their quest to counter all AFK play styles with extreme force.
2. Don't like CODE then start your own group.

To be sure you understand this

-1 to your idea of a mini-game.


I never suggested a minigame - please read first post.....

Faxat clear suggest a mini-game as a way of curbing AFK mining.
If you had read the quoted segment you would have know that.
Perhaps it is you who need to learn to read.
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#27 - 2015-11-14 20:51:54 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Xe'Cara'eos wrote:
Donnachadh wrote:
Faxat wrote:
Not the worst idea, currently the biggest "balance" to the retriever vs procurer is a catalyst.

One thing though - don't assume that miners all go afk while mining, while it certainly happens, it feels like ehat people rather do is to log on multiple accounts and mine 2- 7x the amount.

I would rather they combat this rampant alt/afk mining by implementing minigames to mining to increase yield efficiency. Use something like the "heat" map from PI and have people manually reposition their lasers effectively trippling/quad'ing the yield. The current system just enables eve"s forever present pay2win mentality.

Mini-games will change nothing the afk miners will just use more alts to counter the lower yields, or just mine for a longer period of time to counter the lower yields.

Let's face facts here mining does not really require much in the way of movement, hell even drones mining or otherwise can be set to an automated mode so how do you know if a miner you are watching is truly AFK?

In the end I find myself in agreement with FT Diomedes.
If you hate AFK miners then
1. Join CODE in their quest to counter all AFK play styles with extreme force.
2. Don't like CODE then start your own group.

To be sure you understand this

-1 to your idea of a mini-game.


I never suggested a minigame - please read first post.....

Faxat clear suggest a mini-game as a way of curbing AFK mining.
If you had read the quoted segment you would have know that.
Perhaps it is you who need to learn to read.


off topic post is about off topic post - please redirect discussion of mining minigame to a different thread.

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Bla5to Frigate
iHaul Industries
#28 - 2015-11-14 21:35:19 UTC
I don't think mining needs any more adjusting.... Just my two cents though....
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#29 - 2015-11-14 22:19:44 UTC
Bla5to Frigate wrote:
I don't think mining needs any more adjusting.... Just my two cents though....

fair enough, thanks for your thoughts

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#30 - 2015-11-15 03:27:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Donnachadh
Xe'Cara'eos wrote:
off topic post is about off topic post - please redirect discussion of mining minigame to a different thread.

You started a topic on mining, another person interjected the idea of a mining mini-game making my response to that post on topic.

While we are sparring over being off topic I did notice that you are calling me out for being off topic but not Faxat who posted the idea of a mining mini-game. Why is that?
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#31 - 2015-11-15 14:48:05 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Xe'Cara'eos wrote:
off topic post is about off topic post - please redirect discussion of mining minigame to a different thread.

You started a topic on mining, another person interjected the idea of a mining mini-game making my response to that post on topic.

While we are sparring over being off topic I did notice that you are calling me out for being off topic but not Faxat who posted the idea of a mining mini-game. Why is that?


fair point

and because I fail, though I'd hope my all caps post about no minigames would count as an 'enough, take your idea elsewhere'.

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Irya Boone
The Scope
#32 - 2015-11-15 15:55:53 UTC
no the problem of afk mining is :you can be afk to do it , i think if we remove the agressive mode of drones and INCREASE the dps of rats , it would be a good start, and maybe disable the auto repeat on mining lasers too !!

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#33 - 2015-11-15 20:51:05 UTC
Irya Boone wrote:
no the problem of afk mining is :you can be afk to do it , i think if we remove the agressive mode of drones and INCREASE the dps of rats , it would be a good start, and maybe disable the auto repeat on mining lasers too !!


Does my suggestion not assist in the same direction?

I'll agree your ideas go a lot further.....
removing aggressive drones - herrrrrr...... maybe yes maybe no
increasing rat DPS - I think I seek where you're going with this, and I like it....
removing auto-repeat from mining lasers? only if we remove it from all modules, including guns, turrets, webs, points, and resist modules.

For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it [u]WILL[/u] be.
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