EVE New Citizens Q&A

There is no "better".

That said, I would go with frigate 5 for the diversity.

Anyway, if you are new to PvP and you jump in a T3 destroyer, it's going to be an expensive way to learn that they are, in fact, not at all invincible.

Like so many smart folks told me: git gud with frigs rather than wasting iskies gittin' gud with dessies.

I'd even suggest just getting out there right now with whatever T1 frig you can fit and go DIAF a few times. Pay attention to exactly how and why you DIAF and learn things on the cheap.

Or you can go lose ~50m a pop making rookie mistakes. Either way is nice. :D

Correction:

Gallente Frigate 5 - 9,5 Days
Spaceship Command 5 - 5 Days
Repair Systems 5 - 3,5 Days

Capacitor Systems Operation 5 - 3,5 Days
Capacitor Management 5 - 10,5 Days

The last two capacitor skills don't open up other skills or items. Should I skip them for later?

Die in a Fire - sounds good.

Ok, Francis, I will keep the capacitor skills in the queue. I added two more skills that I previously oversaw

Gallente Frigate 5 - 9,5 Days
Spaceship Command 5 - 5 Days
Repair Systems 5 - 3,5 Days

Capacitor Emission Systems 4
Energy Grid Upgrades 5 - 7 Days

Capacitor Systems Operation 5 - 3,5 Days
Capacitor Management 5 - 10,5 Days

The concept is obviously to concentrate the skill timeline on the gallente frigates, drones, small hybrid turrets and support skills for quick PVP . Other ships (cruisers, battlecruisers, battleships) weapons and skills for PVE will have to contend with quick and dirty II - III levels.

PS I am listening to Air's "The Virgin Suicides". Fits nicely into the game atmosphere:

Air - Playground Love

You will like it.

Yep! DIAF = die in a fire (meant in the happy fun learning-by-exploding sense, not the internet RL hate troll sense.)

Here's an excellent article on getting started in pvp. Feyd's Awesome PVP Primer

People here want to pretend frigates are still awesome to use in small gang PVP setting. And sure, they are... but they ain't no T3 destroyers. Train Dessy V and be OP until they nerfbat it, practise with frigs while it trains, and then train your frigs to V after.

It sounds to me like the best advice that I can give you is to refocus your perspective a bit. First off SurrenderMonkey was totally right with:

Second when I saw that you said you had 6 Million skill points spread over: trade, exploration and mining the first thing that I thought was something more along the lines of what Francis said:

If you are just now getting into combat you should not be focusing on level 5 skills and certainly if you have to ask the question then you definitely should not be worrying about it.


I mean you are talking about going out and PvPing in T2 and T3 ships and from the sounds of it you've not even tried PvP yet. Many players can easily loose their first 100 or so PvP engagements before getting a win. Being successful at PvP in this game is about experience and knowledge and not skill points nor tech. So if you want to take your learning lumps in T3 dessies I hope you can afford to buy a lot of PLEX because it's going to be an expensive school of hard knocks. You can learn the same lesson loosing a 4 million isk frigate that you can loosing a 100 million isk T3.

More to the point what I am saying is that once you have enough experience to make effective use of those level 5 skills you'll know which ones will fit your playstyle better.

Back to what Francis said certainly focus on your "core" or "support" or what I like to call "generic" skills more. There are plenty of skills out there that you will need regardless of what race or ship class you wind up flying most and early on fitting your ship without lots of fitting modules will be a bit of a challenge. Tech II ships are even tighter on fitting and tech II mods eat up your CPU and power grid even more to make the issue worse.

An example would be that if you rush into T2 guns ( especially if you try to fit them on a T2 ship ) without the support skills you could easily wind up needing to use are low slot or two on a CPU and / or powergrid upgrade mods and loose more potential dps by not being able to fit a damage mod than you gain by fitting the T2 guns which are several times more expensive than the T1 versions.

My advice to you would be to train up all four races frigate skill to 3 and all the associated weapon skills to 3. Then try flying various frigates with various fits in various situations and find your playstyle while you learn the game. As you go you'll get a feel as to what your preferences are and then you can focus on training what you use most. You will know what you need to train once you start doing it so just give it a go and see how things turn out. You'll learn from each engagement and know what you need. Again back to what I said earlier if you have to ask us which level 5 to train first then you probably should not be worried about level 5 skills.

And just to preempt any "ya but" arguments I love linking this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de1hwoFYA_k
It's an experienced vet on a 2 week old character in a cheaply fit T1 ship killing 2 year old characters in T2 ships.
Suitonia has a lot of helpful PvP videos on that channel if you care to surf around. However as with any advice you get from anyone in this game, don't just believe anything anyone tells you. Go out and try it for yourself and see how it goes.

Correction:

capacitor management 5 - 11 Days (gulp!)
capacitor systems operation 5 - 3 Days

move up under

hull upgrades 5

(that will be sometime next year. ugh!)

They won't be wasted. You will use it all eventually anyway. Plus it's a game. Just play it and learn and get better. Also be aware that no matter how much reading and thinking and planing you do a year from know you will look back on this time with more experience and knowledge and see a way that you could have done it better.

So just get out there and do it and quit worrying about getting it perfect. "mistakes" are learning opportunities. If you could avoid all missteps in your life you'd never grow and there would not be much point in living so loosen up and play a little.

Going to post a divergent opinion.

If, and ONLY if, you can comfortably afford to lose and replace more than one T3 destroyer, they are so insanely OP that training into them is a good short to medium term goal.

If you stop using tactical destroyers, you'll basically have trained Interdictors for free - Interdictor pilots are always in demand in nullsec PVP.

This isn't to say T2 frigs aren't worth training.