EVE General Discussion

Jenn is one of the worst bittervet trolls, status quo fanbois on these forums. Best to just block his ignorant ramblings as I've done than to waste your time trying to engage in a rational conversation.

Jenn is pretty simple really. The entire premise of his arguments here is that Eve is perfectly fine and the best game ever as long as we are hurr hurring Code, Ganking, High-sec nerfs and tears.

The second something happens that gives anyone joy in this game and doesn't involve the direct extraction of tears, Jenn thinks the entire game needs to be changed to suit his needs and desires.

The Irony is, that while Jenn has called for sweeping changes to this game, and expressed great displeasure at all things High-Sec, he claims to love the game and tells people who want changes to leave.

It is actually quite comical because of the round-robin style of logic and the constant ad-hominem retorts.

I've never told anyone to leave. I question their sanity at staying with something they don't like (and crapping up the forums with all their suggested 'changes' that are, at best, misguided attempts to attack people they don't like rather than jsut standing up to them in the game), but how they spend their time is up to them. And pointing out that combat pve income (an income I've explotied for years) is out of whack (and not just in high sec, FW is worse) isn't asking for change, it's pointing out a flaw, CCP is the group that changes things, I'm not CCP.

Tell me this (asking honestly) if you (like Lucas) have so many problems with so many things having to do with EVE, why do you stay (again, this is not asking you to leave, it wa syou who said you were waiting for your sub to expire so you could be done with the game)? Is my theory correct, do you actually enjoy disappointment?

And before you tell me it's not my business again, I'll remind you, it was you who posted about you're leaving, I didn't make you do that, so you opened the door.

If I were any calmer I'd be in a coma. Seriously though, you should chill out before you give yourself a heart attack or something.

Of course it is. Anything you don't think should be changed is exempt to you, which is why when anyone tries to discuss it you come running in insulting them. I don't have a "white knight" personality, I just think the game should be fun and rewarding for all players, which it isn't, and that's a core part of the problem that destroys new player retention. New players join, get roflstomped with ease by veterans, then we're supposed to be surprised that they don't stick around?

... in your opinion. In mine, it's "OK".

I'm sure part of it is that, if anything I'm less of a PvE crazy carebear than I was though. But now I see how insanely easy it is to gank randoms and think "where's the challenge here?". It certainly doesn't mean that it's only me that has changed.

You attack everyone that disagrees with you. It's one of the certainties of life, that if I see posts with your name responding to something you disagree with, it will be riddled with insults and attacks on their character.

You're not though, you've made it clear to me before that your game of choice is EVE, and that's why you feel your opinion is more valid. You can't see past your bias to appreciate why other people like or dislike EVE or it's competitors.

It kinda looks like a sinking ship. Decent developers being laid off, smaller developments being made more frequent to mask the fact that large developments are taking significantly longer, drastically reducing playerbase, microtransactions to make up for lost sub revenue. Even this thread itself is around signs that CCP are pushing more into VR, and EVE isn't part of that.

And mate, I've been here since 2005 and spent a significant amount of my life playing EVE and attending EVE events. It's a bit rich you telling me what I'm allowed to choose to play because I don't particularly like where EVE is heading and disagree with you that it's all sunshine and rainbows.

Who said anyting about being surprised. What you descibe is EVE working as intended. If a person is so weak minded that they can't get past what you descibe, quitting is actually the mature option. You would create a world where weakness is celebrated. If you were a movie director, not only would Han hav ento shot first, he wouldn't even have enetered the Cantina because he was too busy that day building huts for Habitat for Tatooiners or somehting.





So you wates your time with something that is just OK. Your time to waste.

Look at the rest of your reply and your previous replies. "its too easy to gank", "Toxic community", "noobs being pushed out" ect. This is what I mean by incompatible world view. You focus on external things, on what other people are doing, on some weird idea that somehow things are unfair for someone. That's your problem. I see the people you call 'toxic' as at best Content, and at worst a mild distraction. I see noobs as people who need to prove themselves (to themselves) or take the smart route and play something they actually like.

Your percpetions color your opinion, and frankly I think that what you think its way more irritating and just plain wrong than any number of Goons, CODE, Gankers, Scammers and isboxers.

I never said EVE was all sunshine, I've been critical of CCP when they deserved it. But you, Lucas Kell, come off in your posts as a neurotic hater just looking for something else to hate when you could be filling your life with things you actually enjoy. Why one would waist the only thing any of us actually have (time on this earth) doing what you do is unfathomable to me, but to each his own I guess.

Touché.

See, the thing with EvE is you finally get the SP, ISK, skills, or social group to do an activity, and it is really fun and new for a while. Then you master this activity. Some never bore of their chosen bit in the game, most do.

Some stew and rot and lament, etc, and chose not to find new and exciting activities, groups, and people to do stuff with. Some do. Generally most people will tire of the same thing, day in, day out, so typically the people who explore new play styles and activities are going to find EvE more exciting in the long term. If you cannot find something fun to do, it is generally your own fault.

Any corp, player, or alliance that is allied with the Imperium that subsequently claims there is nothing do to or that the game is boring is responsible for said boredom. You grew it, you chew it.

Now that the train of this thread is derailed...

Depending on what the 30m will go towards this is not nessicarily a bad thing.

while people complain that 'they are neglecting eve' the exact opposite is true.

As a 12 year vet (good lord) i've seen eve neglect. and sadly that was form day 1. for some reason CCP was in thsi break neck speed to advance eve, that ehy really did not care if stuff was finished, working, or need i say 'good' before they moved on tot he next thing.

The summer of rage has sense changed that stance, though Very Very slowly. And here we are, in what is commonly known as a rebuild/repair phase. CCP has shifted focus to the New Eden Universe. Which doens;t just include eve.

For the people whining that 'this will be bad' my responce is, focusing on just eve online is bad. If ccp can;t get more products to grwo, which would in tern HELP eve (as long as they reamin focused on different aspectas of ther estuff done by dedicated teams) then ccp and wiht it eve, dies.

Dust is proftable, which means no matter how bad people think the game play is, it bring in more money now then it cost to maintain.

Gunjack, for thous eof you who have not played it, is seriously a wicked fun little game. From the looks of it, it won;t need much support onces its out the door.

Valk has a roadmap, we just dunno what that is yet.

and as far as the arguments about no connection is bad, no, no connection is good. connection done badly, alas Dust, is bad.

CCP MUST grow, its the only way eve can grow. And who says these games won't be linke din the future? also who knwo swhat the money is going to, hell they could add vr support to eve, or even legion/dust for all we know.

Point is, most people who cry about ccp trying to grow are idiots, and that is due to you not knowing anything about the companies financials or plans. But who cares, if you enjoy eve play it. if the ship is going down, then i'll play this game till my head is under water with it. shrugs. time will tell if this is a good thing or not, but one thing is clear, ccp is in decent shape if people are giving them money. Cause you don;t give money to a dying company unless you know you can recoup.

Due to off topic posting, and the fact that removing most of it would remove most of the thread, I'm just gonna close this one out. Thanks guys.

Closed.