Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Most asteroids in high-sec are already very small, so even in a Covetor or Hulk you will likely be depleting some of them before your ore hold fills. In low-sec and null-sec, AFK mining is unfeasible anyway (for obvious reasons). Not to mention, having one high-yield strip miner is annoying enough even when you aren't AFK. Half-cycling the strip miner, reactivating the survey scanner after that...

Plus, such a change would make the Skiff even more desirable, and it's already quite the ship.

The current system just enables a hunter with a good bubble to kill 3-4 mining ships at once rather than only one.

If you do not like other people who choose to multibox, feel free to go kill them. Each account that is out in space and doing things is good for this game.

Yes, we are suddenly in Null Sec now, because Eve pretty much uses the same mechanics everywhere (at least in this regard). So, you have to balance it out based on how it will be used/abused in all parts of space.

I never suggested a minigame - please read first post.....

But AFKers of every stripe provide targets for the opportunist to mess with. Kill, bump, poach, these things are important, as well as a break in the monotonous and cost of doing unprotected activities in defenseless ships.

I agree there should be a bit of revitalization, but afkers are not the enemies everyone thinks they are.

Porch and banjo time:
When i started minerals markets were in a rediculous slump, t1 ships were embarassingly cheap, and noobs could be in them with very little isk grinding. Hulkageddon happened to cull and remind the lazy to be a bit more vigilant, but there was always warning announcements. Then Gankers got some awesome and needed boosts, and prices went up. The only ones really losing out from our outdated mining system and noobies that get discouraged by the big afk fleets.

Maudlin over, I'd support a seperate series of ships with low entry requirements, but witrh ultra-low yields countered by a more intensive mining (i hate to use the term) minigame. Mining is already a minigame, scan select particular type of 'roid, get in range, proper crystals at the ready.

Adding a different series of ships with different mining style would be a breath of fresh air, more likely to get noobs into the trade and reward them for a more active playstyle. AFK players still get their passive income, and can deal with the consequences of inattention.

Part of the new "minigame" would be that 2 active multiboxed accounts could outmine 2 macks by a reasonably attractive margin, but would require a lot of character juggling, roid scanning and constant tweaking or ultra low yields result. instead of large cargo holds, they would have maintenece bays so in fleet haulers can pick up while the miners remain concentrated on their trade. cargo and cap would be small enough that staggering the mods would be more or less required, and a paper tank would help keep the pilots aware of their surroundings.

Hulks would still be king, that shouldn't change because they are great targets.

No minigames. Minigames might be fun briefly, but mining is an activity that takes hours.
Please play your minigame for three to four hours straight without a break and tell me how fun it is then playing 'click on the white spot'
Also it then takes attention away from all the other areas of your screen.

And most Macks don't actually mine away from keyboard.

I
AM
NOT
SUGGESTING
MINIGAMES!

"I am mad at people who get less than 7 mil per hour to obtain ore they still have to compress and haul out to sell later and neither is possible afk".



I mean, on the problem scale of 0 to 10, the afk mining will struggle to get 1.
The whole issue that hisec mining is nerfed into oblivion is 5. I can confirm it made me unsub 5 accs when nerfs hit.
If you're so mad to ask wasting CCP time on it, get on the catalyst and fix it yourself. Sandbox, remember?

P.S. Last time I mined in hisec (after Odyssey hisec mining was essentially dead and gone), biggest 0.7 rocks were 13000-16000 m3 and there was like 2 of them in each system. Average rock was ~10000m3, and you can't fill a retriever with 2 of those. Rocks were a bit bigger in 0.5 systems, but afk mining there is a ganktard attraction, so nobody did that. So tell me again, where is the problem? Some impoverished newbies sometimes afk when their barge is on the belt and it makes you mad is the problem? If people afking is the problem, go raid Deklein for afktars.

Sorry dude; was just trying to add some flesh to my post, not just criticize :-/

Seems people just went nuts over a relatively mining mini game :-)

What's wrong with AFK miners? If they want to lose their stuff because of inattentiveness, let them.