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A friendly suggestion for the next rounds of the Amarr championships

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Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
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#21 - 2015-11-09 22:39:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Flyinghotpocket
Danmal wrote:
1. There has always been a tourney meta, be that drones, damps, Marauders, missiles, or ecm. Complaining about one of them seems to me as good as complaining about the next one. E.g.: "They outrange us! We like brawling! CCPlz, nerf range!"

2. I flew in the Slicer match on the winning team's side. The opponent anticipated that we would bring ecm and fitted what was a hard counter to our setup. As somebody who flew on the other side said, they did not lose because of the setup but because of positioning/piloting. The understanding of the meta of both teams was equally strong (or they had intel from our practice), and our opponent next-leveled it. That leveled the playing field. Isn't part of the excitement of a tourney to understand the meta and know how to deal with it? They did.

ya but dude you dont say, ok this tournament you can use only turrets for offensive module, and then not ban tracking disruptors.

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Flyinghotpocket
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#22 - 2015-11-09 23:04:41 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
I'll chat with some other members of the team about the option of further restricting ECM, but I can already say that even with no extra restrictions the formats most vulnerable to ECM are behind us.

instead of having an epic brawl fest, and an intresting tournament, we had a jam fest. which really is quite un amarr. this was extremely disappointing to not have the rp aspect resolved with raw combat brawling which is very amarr. instead it was bring 14 jammers and the first team to get jams off won.

besides this tournament didnt have to be resolved only by combat. one house could have said, ok you guys can fly only sigils and its not a fight, its a race, the only offensive mods allowed are scrams and webs. and put everybody together so they have to figure out who to web and scram to get ahead in the race.

maybe one house determined that the best way to pick their champion was to give them assets and see who could transport this here and there and play the market and make isk, the first team to hit a certain isk threshold would be the house champions.

pvp is cool and all. but there could have been alot more content.

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Desiderya
Blue Canary
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#23 - 2015-11-10 01:46:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Desiderya
It made watching the fights rather boring. I was looking forward to the Retri and Slicer matches but it was quite static.

Was hoping for ecstatic and got EC-static.

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Shelley Tortuga
HighSec Militia
#24 - 2015-11-10 02:27:32 UTC
Just a short endorsement of the format/rules and piloting.

I watched all six hours (I was attempting to finish writing a proposal at the same time).

I did not understand much of what was happening but it was the most engaging EvE tournament that I have seen in my limited experience.

The Curse on Curse match was really great.
SoulLess Zealot
Khaedra's Law
#25 - 2015-11-10 05:00:02 UTC  |  Edited by: SoulLess Zealot
Danmal wrote:
1. There has always been a tourney meta, be that drones, damps, Marauders, missiles, or ecm. Complaining about one of them seems to me as good as complaining about the next one. E.g.: "They outrange us! We like brawling! CCPlz, nerf range!"

2. I flew in the Slicer match on the winning team's side. The opponent anticipated that we would bring ecm and fitted what was a hard counter to our setup. As somebody who flew on the other side said, they did not lose because of the setup but because of positioning/piloting. The understanding of the meta of both teams was equally strong (or they had intel from our practice), and our opponent next-leveled it. That leveled the playing field. Isn't part of the excitement of a tourney to understand the meta and know how to deal with it? They did.



this would be my argument exactly ..

that being said i also believe that jams are op in this format( may just be that i feel its sort of cowardly and less player skill intensive)..however the just prop jamming mod idea is also very static.
i believe there is nothing wrong with any other sort of e-war


** to add to this we tested against a full jam set up for our first match and were confident of overcoming it ...tbh ***
Desiderya
Blue Canary
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#26 - 2015-11-10 12:28:06 UTC
Doesn't matter if it's OP or not. It's safe to say that everyone anticipates folks to play to win and use all tricks in the book to reach their goal.
However, it was leading to a bad show, and as a spectator I think one can complain about that.

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PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#27 - 2015-11-10 12:38:12 UTC
Another thing is that the commentators seemed surprised at times that more people weren't using tracking disruptors. I wasn't at all surprised that people weren't using them.

TDs are great, especially when fitted on ships with the right bonuses - but they're less great when scripts are banned.

What CCP has done in this Amarrian competition is nerf Amarrian EW while making Caldari EW more effective (because of the fixed sensor type).

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Reppyk
The Black Shell
#28 - 2015-11-10 21:12:10 UTC
Shelley Tortuga wrote:
The Curse on Curse match was really great.
I have to remember people here than a team fielded 14 jammers and still lost.

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Valacus
Streets of Fire
#29 - 2015-11-11 03:23:09 UTC
6 hours of ECM boredom. I can't believe CCP didn't see this coming.

"Hurrrr durrrr, what happens when all the ships have the same sensor type?"

And LOL at the commentary in between matches. They were so blind sided by the ECM fest that they couldn't call a single fit for virtually any ship. 4 ECM curse. Slicers with no MWD. What lolz. The CCP commentary team was a total and utter joke. I was embarrassed for them.
edeity
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Crimson Inquisicion
#30 - 2015-11-11 07:28:38 UTC
The only winner IMO from the "Amarr" Trials so far has been Caldari ECM technology.
Lucian IV
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2015-11-11 19:42:00 UTC
0 Whilte Noise team reporting. Although it was only because we had high sensor strength comps.

I agree that racial ecm is overpowered in a single race tournament, and it's bad for spectators since they never know whether the ecm was successful or not.
Valacus
Streets of Fire
#32 - 2015-11-11 20:41:15 UTC
Lucian IV wrote:
0 Whilte Noise team reporting. Although it was only because we had high sensor strength comps.

I agree that racial ecm is overpowered in a single race tournament, and it's bad for spectators since they never know whether the ecm was successful or not.


It's bad for spectators because no one wants to see a fight between a permajammed team and a not jammed team. That's like watching a fight between a professional boxer and a teddy bear. We want the fights to be entertaining, with action and ships blowing up on both sides. An ECM war has no excitement at all, because it's either up to who lands a jam first or RNJesus.
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#33 - 2015-11-11 21:26:41 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
It made watching the fights rather boring. I was looking forward to the Retri and Slicer matches but it was quite static.

Was hoping for ecstatic and got EC-static.


Eh. The best all around comp for those two rounds was always going to be propmodless. The only question was what to do with the extra midslot.

ECM being the obvious choice made the matches less interesting. But they were always going to be static unless both teams failed to see the advantages of going propless.

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Lucian IV
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2015-11-12 02:23:32 UTC
Valacus wrote:
Lucian IV wrote:
0 Whilte Noise team reporting. Although it was only because we had high sensor strength comps.

I agree that racial ecm is overpowered in a single race tournament, and it's bad for spectators since they never know whether the ecm was successful or not.


It's bad for spectators because no one wants to see a fight between a permajammed team and a not jammed team. That's like watching a fight between a professional boxer and a teddy bear. We want the fights to be entertaining, with action and ships blowing up on both sides. An ECM war has no excitement at all, because it's either up to who lands a jam first or RNJesus.



Some people would rather point towards fixes that will affect all future tournaments rather than state the obvious.
Valacus
Streets of Fire
#35 - 2015-11-12 17:27:12 UTC
Lucian IV wrote:
Valacus wrote:
Lucian IV wrote:
0 Whilte Noise team reporting. Although it was only because we had high sensor strength comps.

I agree that racial ecm is overpowered in a single race tournament, and it's bad for spectators since they never know whether the ecm was successful or not.


It's bad for spectators because no one wants to see a fight between a permajammed team and a not jammed team. That's like watching a fight between a professional boxer and a teddy bear. We want the fights to be entertaining, with action and ships blowing up on both sides. An ECM war has no excitement at all, because it's either up to who lands a jam first or RNJesus.



Some people would rather point towards fixes that will affect all future tournaments rather than state the obvious.


Yes, I suppose your multiple personalities would like to do more than state the obvious.

Obviously if CCP doesn't want to outright ban racial ECM, then there needs to be a hard cap on how many racial ECM modules a single team can field, and it needs to be a fairly low number.
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