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Not 100% sure I am sold..

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Ramstien Zamayid
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-11-12 01:09:43 UTC
Hello everyone;
Like the title says I am not 100% sure about this game. Why you ask? well I'm not sure, I think it's because I feel like I have hit a dead end. I am new and learned rather quickly that there is a very steep learning curve to the game. I completed all of the University agent missions but now what? I have just been mining and selling the ore. I was interested in doing the mining but also wanted to do the industry type stuff, I.E. building ships, parts, trading, and (just recently learned about) contracts. although on a trial account I can not buy them. I have been told that you do what you want to do but that is just it. I am not finding the right direction to go. I don't want to sound like a cry baby just looking for a little guidance. Also I keep getting disconnected and socket lose. anyone have ideas and what might be causing that?

Thank you in advance for your guidance.
Avvy
Doomheim
#2 - 2015-11-12 01:31:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
So you've done the missions from the career agents.

So you know some of the things you will be able to do in the game.

A lot seem to do the Sisters-of-Eve mission arc after those career agent missions.


This game is sandbox style, so you make you own entertainment with what's available in-game.

You can use a station agent finder to look for an agent to work for. So you could do mining, hauling or security (combat) missions depending on which style of mission you like doing and which agent you choose.

Player corp. would be a good bet, unless you like to do things solo.

You could scan down sites or explore wormholes.


It's your choice really.



Edit:

As for the disconnects, I couldn't say.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#3 - 2015-11-12 01:41:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
What do you want to do? EVE is a sandbox, so it is up to you to find and create content.

I highly recommend joining a rookie-friendly corp. It is a lot easier to both find and generate content with the help of others. It is a lot more enjoyable, too!

Some suggestions:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5943454#post5943454
There are many more (e.g. surprised it didn't mention Signal Cartel). EVE University also has many different campuses across New Eden, though it is an "exercise" to get through the application process. Karma Fleet and Pandemic Horde are probably the two largest and most organized, though don't overlook the personal attention sometimes found in smaller corps!

General corp hunting advice:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331341&find=unread

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Probably the #1 cause of "socket closed" errors is a malware or "firewall" proxy products.

http://goo.gl/3pbuHR

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/windows/change-internet-explorer-proxy-server-settings

In my case, I've experienced a faulty home router, and a cabling issue, that caused socket closed errors.

If you are getting "usurped" errors, then you are trying to use a trial account at the same time as another account.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2015-11-12 02:05:12 UTC
This is an MMO with a focus on group PvP. I don't care if you join an NPSI roam or just ask me for a pile of cheap frigs to take into low sec but two things you need to do in this game to say that you've even given it a chance is to make friends and at least try shooting at some other players.

For sure though if you are going to sit in high sec and solo mine or do missions then you might as well just quit the game now.

Make friends and do stuff with them.

Did I mention the part about group ops with friends?

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#5 - 2015-11-12 02:12:57 UTC
The most fun I have is in the chat channels. It's like an old school chat room with market screens and an overview. Bear

Was there anything particular from the tutorials that you enjoyed? Right away for me it was the exploration relic/data sites and while I was running the SoE arc someone showed me how to find escalations and I think without realizing it I was hooked after that. Took a couple weeks, and I only played here or there those first steps.

@lunettelulu7

Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#6 - 2015-11-12 03:18:48 UTC
Ramstien Zamayid wrote:
Like the title says I am not 100% sure about this game.......


Please don't make a final decision to leave until after you've been in at least one decent sized fleet action with a competent Fleet Commander.

Groups like Spectre Fleet regularly organise NPSI roams (Not Purple (eg: in fleet) Shoot It).

Getting out of the NPC corp and into a good player corp is also a great aid to enjoyment. EVE is, at it's cold black heart, a social game. It's much easier to get things done when you have a group of friends to help you do it.

Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze

This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura

Frank Pannon
Emerald Swine Escavations
#7 - 2015-11-12 10:06:41 UTC
My 2 cents.

You are right. Doing the tutorial missions does not sell the game at all. It is a shallow experience compared to how the game is actually.

To actually see what the game has to offer, you need to join a good group of players, interact on daily basis, ask a lot of questions, make friendships, mine, build, fight, explode, or whatever you enjoy doing, set yourself goals, make plans, get better, change them ... you can never win this game, just enjoy it.

So in a way subscribing is indeed a leap of faith. Most corps prefer their members to be subscribed and not trial accounts, so they know who they can count on middle term. For you it is an investment in the unknown.

Well I can only repeat myself. Tutorials show a very thin slice of EVE, the most fun comes from interacting with other players, in any way or form.

I have 100m skillpoints, just yesterday I undocked for the first time in a Moros (look it up), still grinning inside. That was one from my EVE bucket list, it took a while, but was worth it. You will need to ask yourself, what will be on your list?
Mr Veda
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-11-12 11:01:19 UTC
Just to add to the other great responses, don't feel any decision you make is all or nothing. There's no harm in trying a few things out before dropping your skills into want to do well.

And yes, join a corp. People are awesome

dehino 'smin yathā dehe kaumāraḿ yauvanaḿ jarātathā dehāntara-prāptir dhīras tatra na muhyati

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#9 - 2015-11-12 11:54:08 UTC
My suggestion to you: Find another player that is doing what you've been doing (mining), and shoot them.

Just gank them in highsec (not in a rookie system but anywhere else is good).

You might destroy their ship, you might get whelped by the space police before you can scratch them, but you'll get interacting with other players.

If you can fly an Atron with neutron blasters in all your highslots (any cheap neutron blaster will do), and magnetic field stabilizers in each lowslot, you can kill Ventures in highsec before the space police show up.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Memphis Baas
#10 - 2015-11-12 13:16:36 UTC
I don't think the problem is with the learning curve (the complexity of the game mechanics), but rather with the fact that it's a sandbox. You're supposed to come up with your own plots (quest lines), there aren't any in this game, and not everyone enjoys that. I'm kinda in the same boat; I love reading books and suck at writing my own.

So, in a sandbox, if you don't want to build your own sand castle, then join a corp and help them build theirs. Their CEO and corp leadership will have plenty of grandiose plans of conquest and winning that you can just participate in.

You've expressed interest in industry (mining, manufacturing, trading), and that's fine as long as you realize that the main point of this game is to shoot spaceships piloted by others. EVE is really a strategy game; our ships are the "units" and we get together in a big alliance and go conquer space much like in a strategy game. The "building units" part of a strategy game is secondary; not the main point of the game.

So, high-sec is safe-ish, and there's little that a corp can offer that you can't do solo, so as a result you'll see mostly crappy corps in high-sec. And if you try to do your industry solo, you'll basically be up against all the veterans who are also manufacturing in that easy space and selling their product for cheap. If you really want to have fun at this game, you should try to find a corp that operates in dangerous space (low or null sec, or wormhole space), and see if you can manufacture for them, to basically support them and help them with their goals.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#11 - 2015-11-12 13:25:35 UTC
We are the content here so get involved, **** up local chat, make friends and enemies (particularly enemies , they're way more fun).
Have a giggle at the locals expense , steal something, shoot someone in the face , get shot in the face yourself , ruin someone's day.

if you start ****ing with the other players you're likely to find yourself recruited by someone quickly and once that happens the game gets waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better.

It's genuinely difficult to understate how much of a difference being part of a decent corp/alliance makes to the experience.
You Learn several orders of magnitude faster, your aims and aspirations will be more focused you can gain a reputation (believe me ,no one gives a shite what npc characters think say or do ).

Any halfarsed Corp will facilitate you in the basics, a good one will defend you, a great one will teach you how to defend yourself.

Don't get discouraged by the first one or two, about 80% are shitshows without a clue so shop around.

Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-11-12 14:35:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Bastion Arzi
do u know how frakin awesome it is when scouts are reporting intel over comms and u and ur compadres co-ordinate and organise a gang on a ship or another gang.

such a satisfying pop when they go down. ice cream on top if u get the pod.

do you know the feeling of ur heart beat becoming an audible sound in ur ears as u punch a plex gate wondering how ur target is fit.

do u know how awesome it is when the spoils of ur pvp fund more pvp?

do u know the awesomeness of being hunted but being too on the ball for ur enemy to catch u.

do u know how awesome it is when u land a massive bump on a target so it cant get back to gate or dock?

there is so much to learn and do in eve. i cant recommend the game enough.

i dont blame you for not being sold on it as u are mining. that imo is like watching paint dry.

edit- recently i was killed by a freaking moracha, yes a MORACHA. even that was awesome. an honour in fact.
Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#13 - 2015-11-12 15:16:00 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
So, high-sec is safe-ish, and there's little that a corp can offer that you can't do solo, so as a result you'll see mostly crappy corps in high-sec. And if you try to do your industry solo, you'll basically be up against all the veterans who are also manufacturing in that easy space and selling their product for cheap. If you really want to have fun at this game, you should try to find a corp that operates in dangerous space (low or null sec, or wormhole space), and see if you can manufacture for them, to basically support them and help them with their goals.



Very well said. A good corp/alliance in low or null will support and train their indy newbros. Along the way you'll have access to a much, much higher quality of ores and blueprints to start out with, and you'll therefore be able to make more ISK with which to begin to support yourself.

There's more risk involved, sure, and you'll lose more ships. But as you acclimate to the game and gain more skillpoints, you'll be able to handle that better.

> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#14 - 2015-11-12 17:53:28 UTC
Interact


Learn


Die


Have fun


(Not necessarily in that order)

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Syeed Ameer Ali
Dirtbag Space Warriors Coming for yor Loots
#15 - 2015-11-12 17:55:37 UTC
Join one of the large new-player-oriented corporations - EVE University, Pandemic Horde, Karmafleet, or even maybe Brave Newbies Inc. if you don't mind slumming. When you get into one of these corporations, your first priority should be to participate in PvP fleets. Nobody in these corps will care that you don't know what you're doing at first, so don't be intimidated. Your second priority should be to try out different fun things to do when you aren't in fleet. Don't be lazy, read up on how to do different activities properly, how to fit and fly different ships in different applications - spend some time figuring out how to do things right as you go along so you don't just fail all the time.

Can't help you with your disconnection problem I'm afraid. EVE is usually pretty stable so likely the trouble is on your end.
voetius
Grundrisse
#16 - 2015-11-12 18:09:01 UTC

Hopefully from the above you have some suggestions on the things you can do from here so I'll leave that except to say that if you want any general advice on Industry or Trading as a career send me a convo if you see me online (I'm usually on during Euro primetime, though often on my trade alts so an evemail might be better).

As to socket closed, see Tau's post above. Also, this is a general error message that the server gives when too many packets are lost or there is a timeout. This seems to happen most with WiFi, router problems and some ISPs. There is also a known issue with some hubs, e.g. Virgin recently issued a statement that one of their hubs is not suitable for online gaming. There is a FAQ here :

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=334556&find=unread

I don't have a link to the Virgin statement but it was posted in the Issues & Workarounds forum a month or more back in reply to a thread about socket closed errors.

Hope that helps.
Silver Dagger Kondur
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2015-11-13 22:55:26 UTC
Welcome, Ramstien Zamayid!

Yes, you should get a subscription - buy the 3 PLEX subscription - it's a better price and you get 3 glorious months of EVE. It only gets better. Big smile