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Svipul - Optimal range bonus not that useful?
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Dagnar
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-11-10 15:15:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Dagnar
Does anyone else think it's a bit strange that the Svipul has an optimal range bonus instead of a falloff bonus? Minmatar guns are falloff focused, with autocannons being almost fully dependant on falloff and with only artillery gaining use from the optimal range bonus. My optimal range in a max skills autocannon Svipul is barely 1km. I can't make use of my ship's inherent bonus with it's own racial weapon type.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2015-11-10 15:24:33 UTC
its for arty.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-11-10 15:46:26 UTC
Good :)

OP anyway :p

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Hochopepa
Creative Research and Production Services
#4 - 2015-11-10 18:13:24 UTC
Autocannons live and die by falloff. Whenever you see an optimal bonus on a minnie ship, it's meant for artillery, which is a racial weapon type so....
Dankkarr
Astral Acquisitions Inc.
#5 - 2015-11-10 21:53:54 UTC
Yes, the Svipul is under powered with its useless bonuses. Please buff.
Dagnar
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-11-10 22:11:41 UTC
Hochopepa wrote:
Autocannons live and die by falloff. Whenever you see an optimal bonus on a minnie ship, it's meant for artillery, which is a racial weapon type so....


Here are the bonus type for each minmatar ship

Sleipnir - falloff bonus
Hurrican - falloff + optimal
Tornado - falloff
Vargur - falloff
Machariel - falloff
Munin - optimal range
Vagabond - falloff
Broadsword - falloff
Cynabal - falloff
Stabber - falloff
Sabre - falloff

You get my point. Optimal bonus instead of falloff on a minmatar ship is stupid.
Paranoid Loyd
#7 - 2015-11-10 22:15:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
The ship is arguably OP even after it's recent nerf, giving it the falloff bonus would make it unquestionably OP. You have to take the entire meta into consideration when you are asking a question like this, you can't just compare it to other ships in the same race.

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#8 - 2015-11-11 12:55:52 UTC
Minnie boats mainly come with either falloff+RoF+Damage or tracking+optimal+damage. The Sabre already offers falloff (340dps with barrage at 2+20), the svipul offers artillery traits instead.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#9 - 2015-11-12 00:42:57 UTC
OP Does have a point that optimal bonuses on Minmatar ships are crap. The optimal bonused ships (Jag, Muninn) are some of the worst in their class since it pigeon holes them into artillery if you want to make the best of their bonus and both these ships do not synergize well with artillery. Muninn lacks midslots to go shield + arty and doesn't have the powergrid to go armor + arty. The jag has massive powergrid issues and is generally a really bad AF.

This doesn't apply to the Svipul since the entire ship is so overpowered that it isn't negatively affected by this bonus. This is also because arty Svipuls are very good due to it's speed, tracking bonus in sharpshooter mode, fittings and slot layout.