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Don't fly what you can't afford?
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Spruillo
Lord Narg Corporation
#21 - 2015-11-10 03:13:16 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Nuu wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
It also helps to purchase a mining permit if you intend to operate your vessel in New Order territory (formerly known as Highsec).

What if I offer money for each ganked mining permit holder?

Have you 'smart boys' realised that yet?

How many will pay your litte mafia fee after that if they get ganked anyway?

How much money do you offer?


Well, when I said "I" I mispoke a little, I meant "someone else" and when I said "money" I may have been a little unclear, I meant "someone else's money".


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Memphis Baas
#22 - 2015-11-10 03:21:37 UTC
High-collateral courier contract may be scam, too (specifically set up to gank you en-route), especially if it has the shortest time for delivery. I'm sure you know, but keep that in mind too.
Raine Marelwe
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2015-11-10 03:38:43 UTC
I may not have the right mindset for this game.

I thought I did, because love overcoming a tenacious long-term challenge. Something like I imagine climbing tall cliffs would be like, if I were the outdoorsy type. But I can't STAND having to make up ground I feel like I already covered.

My last loss was a set of 10x +5 implants. I could afford to lose them. I could even afford to replace them immediately. Instead, I logged off and played Skillqueue-Online for months because I would think about the time and effort it would take me to cover those losses, and it made me exhausted before I'd even start. Worse still is that low-risk recovery requires more work than high-risk progress does.

I got whacked because I was being lazy and was taking a shortcut I had been using for a long time (AP shuttle through Hi-Sec with a decent bounty on my head. No problems for over a year.), and it was just time to pay the piper. So now I have to climb a different, safer, more methodical part of the metaphorical rock-face - one that does not include autopilot or the benefit of fancy implants - just to get back to where I was before my most recent enrollment in the school of hard-knocks.

After years of playing, loss and the prospect of having to start from zero or near-enough is not reinvigorating for me; it accelerates the burnout. I'm beginning to wonder if I don't belong, but for as long as I can stick it out, I will continue to fly far less than that which I can afford to lose.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#24 - 2015-11-10 04:31:37 UTC
Raine Marelwe wrote:
I may not have the right mindset for this game.

I thought I did, because love overcoming a tenacious long-term challenge. Something like I imagine climbing tall cliffs would be like, if I were the outdoorsy type. But I can't STAND having to make up ground I feel like I already covered.

My last loss was a set of 10x +5 implants. I could afford to lose them. I could even afford to replace them immediately. Instead, I logged off and played Skillqueue-Online for months because I would think about the time and effort it would take me to cover those losses, and it made me exhausted before I'd even start. Worse still is that low-risk recovery requires more work than high-risk progress does.

I got whacked because I was being lazy and was taking a shortcut I had been using for a long time (AP shuttle through Hi-Sec with a decent bounty on my head. No problems for over a year.), and it was just time to pay the piper. So now I have to climb a different, safer, more methodical part of the metaphorical rock-face - one that does not include autopilot or the benefit of fancy implants - just to get back to where I was before my most recent enrollment in the school of hard-knocks.

After years of playing, loss and the prospect of having to start from zero or near-enough is not reinvigorating for me; it accelerates the burnout. I'm beginning to wonder if I don't belong, but for as long as I can stick it out, I will continue to fly far less than that which I can afford to lose.



Change your mindset.

Think of in-game assets as consumables. All of them. (Your skillpoints are your 'permanent' assets).

Try to avoid doing actively un-fun things to obtain your consumables.

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Raine Marelwe
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2015-11-10 05:30:03 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:



Change your mindset.

Think of in-game assets as consumables. All of them. (Your skillpoints are your 'permanent' assets).

Try to avoid doing actively un-fun things to obtain your consumables.


I appreciate the advice. Though I'm not sure how capable of selectively modifying my mindset I really am, I'm willing to give it a try.

My concern is this; I enjoyed earning the assets - or consumables - the first time. It's novel and exciting to overcome barriers and succeed at something I have not yet mastered or do not fully understand. Having to replace them, however, feels awfully similar to a 9-to-5 grind. I went out, I worked, but then I ate my paycheck (consumables), so I have to go back to work now. I've earned ISK in many different ways in this game, and while I ditched the dullest and least effective (mining, hi-sec exploration), they ALL seem to wear thin when when I'm laboring to recoup losses. (As opposed to expanding my personal empire of Hangar Queens and Exotic Dancers to new extremes, which I am willing to put up with considerable tedium to accomplish)

Further, I can see how one might consider implants which I had been using for some time before losing them consumable; I received some benefit and then they were (unexpectedly) used up. This perspective appears less applicable to perhaps even more frustrating scenarios - say, losing a load of resources I had extracted and was moving to market, 'consumables' from which I had yet to benefit, yet which I had already invested considerable effort and time into procuring.

I've also made some alterations to my cost/performance analysis of fittings following a suicide gank attempt I survived mere days before the bounty hunter cracked my egg. Having adjusted my play style and chosen a new path up the mountain, I am edging back toward being active in New Eden once more. I shall have to see if I am capable of expecting the exhaustion of my consumables while still working to prevent it/replace them.
Isajah
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2015-11-10 06:54:52 UTC
op, can you post the killmail. the char you are writing with is obiously not the freighter pilot.

Me wants Comet mining
Luca Lure
Obertura
#27 - 2015-11-10 06:59:55 UTC
Yesterday I lost a blockade runner in 0 with my alt. I was angry. Very angry. Because I screwed up. Just plain stupid. I flew into a bubble, cause I didn't fly to a bookmark, but to a gate. Worse was that I knew the gate was camped. So I logged off and went to bed. Will fly again tomorrow and do it right this time. I hope. No gains without losses.

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Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#28 - 2015-11-10 10:29:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Otso Bakarti
You know in intelligent social constructs (such as sovereign domains, i.e. Minmatar, Amarr, Gallente, Caldari) those sovereigns see your activities as the reason and purpose said intelligent social constructs exist. For, without your endeavors, no society would exist at all. Therefore, neither the technology you use to pursue your endeavors, nor the technical means with which these sovereign powers enforce their sovereignty (against foreign intervention or criminal elements) would exist.

This is why piracy is so outlawed no sovereign power flinches from using, and even increasing, its own navy (and often times in alliance with other sovereign powers should the need arise) in order to stamp out all vestiges of piracy anywhere it may appear. This includes summary execution without trial of any pirate caught on the open transportation lanes, and especially caught in the act of piracy. Were the logical mechanics of sovereignty in effect your losses would be seen as the state's losses, and help would be on the way. Not another of your shipments would be in peril.

Too bad this is New Eden, no? Let's hear it for Jaeger Logic!

Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!


Please, you criminals, finish this thread by telling everyone how useful you are.

There just isn't anything that can be said!
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2015-11-10 12:31:24 UTC
Otso Bakarti wrote:
Please, you criminals, finish this thread by telling everyone how useful you are.

if they didn't fall asleep reading your post
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2015-11-10 12:57:14 UTC
we we decided to drop a carrier with blops got the carrier into deep structure and bum twitching moment when a ceptor landed on grid we were overheating all the things on the carrier, and then the ceptor started yellowboxing me, i was already aligned and managed to mjd.

But that didnt stop the fine ceptor pilot who managed to get a point on me soo fast, just at that moment of being pointed after the mjd...local spike, had a fleet of whatever pointing neuting, and all the other wonderful things you would do to a 2bil isk black ops battleship.

It wasnt very nice tbh, sitting watching vultures feed off your dying panther and knowing this is the end but i guess it was well played by that ceptor pilot for catching a couple of nice kills.

it doesnt matter if you can afford it or not its still a hurtful loss losing anything over 100mil

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Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2015-11-10 13:11:30 UTC
Jimsun Froegliech wrote:
My freighter dun got blown up. It was under contract, with a very high collateral. I saw an opportunity, similar to many I've successfuly run before, and gambled and lost against the house.
The house being determined pirates. Altogether it was an absolutely awesome experience - freighters are so tanky it really is quite exciting, you get a good minute or so of desparate crawling hope before you realise you won't make it.
Usual rules apply as well - I was in a rush, I didn't follow my usual precautions, and happened to run into some very capable bastards.

Now I am in an interesting position, because whilst I could normally replace my losses without any real sweat I'm currently leveraged up to my eyeballs on some very attractive trades. And I need a freighter to make quite a lot of them work. If I lose another freighter I'm not going to be able to rebuy one without taking heavy losses - technically I can't really afford to fly my next one because I can't easily replace it.

I've obviously gone out and straight away replaced it. And my enthusiasm for this game has tripled, all of a sudden slowboating across 18 gates has become an adrenaline fueled panic of D scan and local lookups. I'm running my covops as point, and I have a widow escort in anything less than .7.

I've always extolled the basic tenants of 'don't trust anyone you can't physically punch in the face', 'if its too good to be true, it is', and 'don't fly what you can't afford'.
But I'm starting to wonder what the value is in the third one (except for absolute first week rookies who may immediately quit if they lose everything), other than to make the game more boring. My losses in this event are the worst I've had, but obviously nothing really that out of the ordinary for the general populus. For those of you who've lost big - does it not restore your enthusiasm for the game, that you have to work your way back up or start doing things differently?


i think for a lot of newer people it depends on how long that rebuilding takes and the effort to do it. Learning for a mistake is different to have spend 3 months grinding.

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
Jimsun Froegliech
Elethian Distributed Services
#32 - 2015-11-10 14:02:54 UTC
Isajah wrote:
op, can you post the killmail. the char you are writing with is obiously not the freighter pilot.


Of course, let me get you that potentially damaging information which I am obviously trying to keep anonymous. Here you.......WUH WUH WUH WUH WAIT a minute! You're trying to trick me! Gosh and I almost fell for it! Well played sir.

Raine Marelwe wrote:
I may not have the right mindset for this game....
Having adjusted my play style and chosen a new path up the mountain, I am edging back toward being active in New Eden once more. I shall have to see if I am capable of expecting the exhaustion of my consumables while still working to prevent it/replace them.

It is very interesting hearing your point of view Raine, I think we've suffered somewhat equivalent percentage losses but have reacted differently. I don't really have any more advice than what has already been offered - I would say that I view implants(and isk) as a means to an end, and that maybe you're setting your arbitrary goals and achievements (which is all we have in this sandbox environment) on means rather than ends. You don't need +5s to do any of the (what I consider) fun activities in the game. Skillpoints, experience, and contacts/information are the only things that really matter to me - and you can't really lose any of those.
Or to view it another way - if you were to receive an invincible, max SP character, with infinite isk - would you still play the game?
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#33 - 2015-11-10 15:45:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
DaReaper wrote:
Lots of people in your situation would be rage quitting, or whining up a storm, because they can;t emotionally afford to lose said ship.

Statistically that's not really the case. People generally don't quit over ship or asset loss.
Austneal
Nero Fazione
#34 - 2015-11-10 16:18:45 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Lots of people in your situation would be rage quitting, or whining up a storm, because they can;t emotionally afford to lose said ship.

Statistically that's not really the case. People generally don't quit over ship or asset loss.

I'd like to know where that statistic comes from. I'm not saying that I disagree, but I've personally seen many people quit over losing a bunch of stuff.
Avvy
Doomheim
#35 - 2015-11-10 16:55:09 UTC
Austneal wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Lots of people in your situation would be rage quitting, or whining up a storm, because they can;t emotionally afford to lose said ship.

Statistically that's not really the case. People generally don't quit over ship or asset loss.

I'd like to know where that statistic comes from. I'm not saying that I disagree, but I've personally seen many people quit over losing a bunch of stuff.


It's probably not so much they lost the pixels, it's what they have to do to get them back.
Herzyr
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2015-11-10 17:00:40 UTC
Secretly, slowly, and surely, eve turns you into a masochist.

It's all about the mentality, at first, everyone here got their buttholes clenched when they lost ISK or their ship, as time goes on, you just learn to accept it as part of the game.

I though everyone in eve was ''mature'', I mean, you lost a virtual ship, whoopie, How will you cope in real life? There is enough stress on RL without involving eve.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#37 - 2015-11-10 18:40:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Escort only with webs would take you farther. As for freighter, it has fairly low hp for a capital ship, If you dont have to fly it, fly hull and shield tanked Orca. It have slightly more than 400k HP that way, and still can take a lot of cargo. So instead of flying a space cow, you are flying smaller space cow with thicker hide.

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it doesnt matter if you can afford it or not its still a hurtful loss losing anything over 100mil

For me its not a value, but how often you lose this 100mil, that is worth consideration.
For example I have spare Stratioses in case they would get destroyed. I have spare implants. One day you would see my kilmail, the second you would see me flying the same ship somewhere else. I also have enough ISK in wallet to replace Stratios 2 times.
This is the tactic I adopted for my way of playing the game, to replace the loses.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Vanilla Mooses
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2015-11-11 01:53:48 UTC
Nuu wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
It also helps to purchase a mining permit if you intend to operate your vessel in New Order territory (formerly known as Highsec).

What if I offer money for each ganked mining permit holder?

Have you 'smart boys' realised that yet?

How many will pay your litte mafia fee after that if they get ganked anyway?


This is a unique idea and I assure you that 200+ failed "rebel leaders" have never tried it. You should do it, and please post about it and share the details. Start a blog too.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2015-11-11 02:37:32 UTC
Two options really:

1) You finance your ships and game time by spending real money. In this case " Don't fly what you can't afford " is limited only by what you or your parentals can afford to pay out in cash per month.

2) You finance your ships and game time with in game activity. In that case "Don't fly what you can't afford " simply means, on average, ships must make more than their replacement value before you lose them. If you make more out of ratting carriers than they cost to replace you can afford to lose a carrier. If over time you make more out of your freighter fleet then it costs to replace them you can afford to lose freighters.
Isajah
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2015-11-11 06:31:08 UTC
Jimsun Froegliech wrote:
Isajah wrote:
op, can you post the killmail. the char you are writing with is obiously not the freighter pilot.


Of course, let me get you that potentially damaging information which I am obviously trying to keep anonymous. Here you.......WUH WUH WUH WUH WAIT a minute! You're trying to trick me! Gosh and I almost fell for it! Well played sir.



funny I rather suspected you to be the one who is trying to trick someone

Me wants Comet mining
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