EVE New Citizens Q&A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de1hwoFYA_k

I know that I link the above video way too much here but he does such a good job of answering the question about if winning PvP in Eve is more related to player skill or skill points.

More to the point Eve is more about match ups and counters than it is about having the right "stats". So learning the game is not just about learning how to fit and fly your own ship knowing enough about your opponent's ships to know how it is likely fit and what's it strength's and weaknesses are and how to make the most of your strengths while exploiting your opponent's weaknesses and also knowing what fights are winnable and which are not.

In the above video you will see an experienced vet and a trial account alt that is between 10-17 days old during the filming. He explains why he does what he does and how he picks his fights and which fights to pick etc... But to me the most important thing to take away from the video is that Eve is much more about what you know and who you know than what you are flying or how much isk you have into your ship.

Certainly Eve is not a level capped balanced PvP game like other MMOs. you can participate from day in Eve and certainly by the time your character is a month old the only thing holding you back is your own experience and knowledge.

With regards to this line specifically I think the best advice that I can come up with is that in Eve you need a lot of experience to become good at PvP. Experience pretty much by definition means loosing ships. If you can learn something from each ship loss then the engagement it's self was not a loss.

Thomas Edison when asked about failing his first thousand attempts at making a light bulb answered something along the lines of " I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work".

If you can take the attitude that every engagement is a learning experience and not judge winning or loosing by if you leave with your ship or not but by how much you learn from each engagement then you will likely get very good at this game and have much success.

However if you choose to focus on why you are loosing then you'll probably not learn much.

I guess what I'm trying to say is focus on learning and growth and wins will come. Focus on winning and the learning will be slower to come.

that's a good goal, one I'm still working towards myself.



When I first started in PvP with RvB, I welped T1 frigates at a furious rate. They're cheap, so don't be afraid to have a crack.



The Dramiel really shines as a tackle/scout ship for a small gang.

Wait until you have some nice navigation, drone and tanking skills before you try this little beast, they're a little on the pricey side. I've only recently started playing with Dramiels and I'm kicking myself for spending so much time and ISK flying Daredevils. I really do need to skill up the T2 guns for it.......

Indeed. The ability to dual prop a Dramiel is where it really shines in the role of a tackle frigate.

Get scram/webbed in a MWD fit Daredevil and you'll asplode in short order. Get scram/webbed in a dual prop Dramiel, laugh as you engage the AB to keep up velocity while hitting them with a scram/web of your own.

I use a long point on a Daredevil and try to stay the hell out of scram range, which usually entails a faction web for range.

Your 8:66 K:D-R really does contradict that statement in somewhat hilarious fashion. I get that you're new and I applaud you for getting out there and having a crack. My killboard as a couple-of-month old player was similarly awash with red.

FYI: if you'd spent the time waiting for your timer to run down bouncing between safespots in system, you wouldn't have died.

And yes, you do get piled on in EVE PvP. It's the nature of the beast. The trick is learning how to avoid the pile-on or how to GTFO when things start going south.

i would have said 'get neuted in a dd and ur dead'
plenty of times ive been scram webbed in my dd, but i still get into range becasue of my 90% web and very few things like 400 dps to the face.

He told you they were cyno ships and he wasn't joking. You can look at the loadouts if you don't believe it.
Killing cyno ships is standard in low and null unless the ship is working for your alliance. If you can't figure out why, then I don't know what to say.

Just because you can't do something does not mean that a more skilled pilot on a less skill character can not accomplish what you could not.

One of the biggest obstacles to learning is knowledge. It's hard to learn something about which you think you already know everything. Humble open-minded players will learn far more than arogant know-it-all braggarts.

Eve is not like other MMOs where you can jump in and pwn in PvP in a short amount of time. If actually have only been playing this game since August that is really not enough time to become really good at PvP in this game. I mean I guess it's possible but you'd have to have lost a few hundred ships in that time to do it IMHO.

Regardless it sounds to me like you've spent too much time in other MMOs where you can jump in and insta win in a short amount of time. Eve is not that kind of MMO and I think the fact that you can't just run back from the graveyard has a way of making losses here harder to gloss over. Other MMOs keep lots of stats and provide enough ways that many people can walk away from a Battleground or what ever feeling like they carried the team or in some other way feel victorious or boost your ego.

You might be having issues with the honesty of Eve. This is not little league baseball where everyone gets taken out for ice cream afterwards.

This above quote to me demonstrates what Eve is all about. If that kind of gameplay isn't your thing maybe this game is not for you. If you are looking for Hyper-balanced dumbed down PvP where you can run into a 10 v 10 fight and button mash your way to more kills than respawns then go play Battlefront or CoD or WoW or any of the other thousands of games that provide that.

Lots of great responses here already so I won't go into too much detail. However I will say that the Rifter and Slasher are quite underwhelming for me, the reason being, they are too "well rounded". The 4-3-3 slot layout on the Rifter means it can armor tank, or shield tank, but it can't do either really really well like a ship with 4 mids or 4 lows could. There are many ways to win fights, but most of them involve picking some attribute which your ship is already good at and abusing it like crazy. IE pick a high damage ship (ie blaster atron) and fit it for damage to overwhelm your opponent before they can do much to you. Or pick a really tanky ship (ie rep incursus) and fit it for maximum tank so you can outlast your opponent, no matter how much dps they do. Or pick a very fast ship and fit it for speed (ie breacher) so that it can kite outside the enemies effective range.

Now I don't find the Rifter particularly great at anything. It is somewhat faster than other frigs so it has some potential to scram-kite (keep at range near the edge of your warp scrambler range), however the "meh" dps and "meh" tank from it's slot layout has never inspired me.

Now if you want a really great minmatar frigate, I LOVE the breacher. It's 4 mids and shield rep bonus let you fit a massive tank, it's quite fast, and missiles provide a lot of flexibility in engagement profile because you can either orbit close to mess up your opponents tracking (good tactic against lasers or long range weapons), or pull range to get out of short-range turrets (blasters and autocannons). It will require training some missile/drone skills though, which is something of a commitment as a new player when you've already started on turrets.

It's not the only way to win though. You can win fights with any ship in the game with some pre-planning (I have literally lost ships to battle herons). Just try to follow the guidelines I mention here. 1) What is your ship good at and how can you abuse it 2) What is your target good at and how can you avoid it 3) How can you mess up/ avoid /tank his damage while maximizing your own?

PS check out this video on tracking mechanics. While it focuses on larger ships vs. smaller ships, it will help you understand what tactics to use against enemies with short or long range turrets. The next step is learning to identify quickly what you are up against (ie is that a blaster comet or a rail comet?) and respond accordingly.

Probably not, at least not most of the time. If you're dying horribly, that's unlikely to be corrected by fitting T2. Dying horribly generally means you're shitfit, or you've made a fairly poor engagement decision, or you've executed the engagement poorly, or some combination of the three.

If you're dying and they're close fights, then yeah, there's a really good chance upgrades might swing it your way.



Well, no, but you do have to learn what represents a reasonable target for you. T1 frigates have a lot of control over what they engage - if you're in a fight in a T1 frigate, you probably chose to be there. If you #YOLO your AC rifter into a Catalyst, yeah, you're outclassed and dead.

Your fits need damage controls (most fits do).

Anyway, listen to ShahFluffers.