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Expedition Frigate Boosting Ship
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Bla5to Frigate
NE Demolition Services
#1 - 2015-11-09 15:58:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Bla5to Frigate
I would like to propose a new ship. Since we are being blessed with the new "Endurance" allowing us wormholers to have access to the sweet ice located in the c13 shattered wormholes, how about the next new expedition frigate being a booster. Idea

It would be frigate sized, allowing boosts to the cute little fleets of Ventures, Prospects and Endurances greedily mining the quality ore's, gasses, and sweet sweet ice in the shattered wormholes. I think it should be able to provide at least some kind of defensive capabilities to fend off the rats for the fleet. I'll just throw it out there too that it should be able to compress ore and ice to hold in its own hull. It would also require Expidition Frigate to be at level 5 to unlock (giving a reason to train besides some stat buffs). It wouldn't have any slots for any kind of lasers, but be able to have a survey scanner and tracking unit and be able to use links. It would be primarily a cycle time booster/defense/hauler and more than one would be ideal as they will need to warp off to offload fairly often (due to frigate sized ore holds).

I'm thinking the buffs should be slightly below the Orca as it is a frigate. The price would be fairly comparable to the Orca as well.
Being designed for "ninja fleet operations" it should be pretty slippery as well. If not cloaky, it should at least be dscan immune.


It is a very niche roll of best supplying buffs in the shattered wormholes but can be utilized in other situations as well.

There might be some holes in my idea, but thats why I'm posting it for the community to either burn it down, or suggest improvements that I am not thinking of.

Perhaps it can be called "Livingstone", or "Magelain" or other famous explorer or their ship.
MicDeath Titan
No Mans Corp
#2 - 2015-11-09 17:02:30 UTC
Nerf my Rorqual more why don't you. I'm not bitter. Really.
Bla5to Frigate
NE Demolition Services
#3 - 2015-11-09 17:14:47 UTC
Your Rorqual can't fit in a c-13. That is why this is a niche ship. Did you even read the whole thing?Big smile
Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#4 - 2015-11-09 17:29:30 UTC
Bla5to Frigate wrote:
Your Rorqual can't fit in a c-13. That is why this is a niche ship. Did you even read the whole thing?Big smile

Whether the Rorqual can go there or not is irrelevant. Your "boosting ship" could go where the Rorqual can go.

Personally, though, I'm more worried about the Orca.

The Orca has a 3% per level skill bonus to mining foreman links. That's only 15% at Level V. So no matter what bonus you give this thing, it's going to be a severe indirect nerf to the Orca. Much cheaper, much safer, capable of compressing ore... Quite the dangerous combination you've cooked up. No thanks, though, I prefer not obsoleting existing ships.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.
Bla5to Frigate
NE Demolition Services
#5 - 2015-11-09 18:17:39 UTC
Your opinion is important and your concerns relevant. Yes this ship could also go into the same systems as an Orca and Rorqual. However, the Orca and Rorquals bonus would be much preferred to the bonus this ship would give. I know I didn't specify, but that's because Im not a designer and don't know what would make this or any other ship "broken". This is just an idea and some suggestions for what I think would make a pretty cool ninja fleet composition.

This ship is designed to lead ninja fleets for quick diving and extraction of valuable ore's, gasses and ice. More specifically intended for c-13 wormholes, but this could also apply to low and nullsec diving. Since everyone on the pvp side is "starving" for content, this would be a very challenging and fun fleet to try and catch!

Perhaps it's bonuses could include a faster (but less than an Orca's) boost to cycle time, x% faster align, and x% reduction in signature radius. It is after all designed for ninja fleets and defensive needs are paramount.

Again, these are suggestions, and may not be ideal, but that is what the community feedback is for.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#6 - 2015-11-09 19:09:42 UTC
So basically a Rorqual but without an industrial core and frigate sized? BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHA!
Yea..... Not a chance.
Bla5to Frigate
NE Demolition Services
#7 - 2015-11-09 19:29:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Bla5to Frigate
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
So basically a Rorqual but without an industrial core and frigate sized? BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHA!
Yea..... Not a chance.



How about suggesting no compression capabilities then...

Others were suggesting that the Endurance have compression abilities in order to justify its 15k ore hold as a frigate. After all the Procurer is a mining barge and it has an ore hold of 12k, not to mention the Hulk, and its a huge exhumer for crying out loud. I was just trying to be more realistic with how much ore it would be able to hold as a frigate. Unless it was compressed ore, it would be too large to be on a frigate. (note I don't have any ore hold sizes because its not up to me...)

So yes..... an iddy bitty baby rorqual..... with iddy bitty baby boosts and an iddy bitty baby compression abilities....that wants to grow up to be just like grandpa..... the great big and mighty Rorqual Big smile Except it has to be on grid.... not hiding at a POS all the time (like the current Rorqual).... cause thats lame!

Either way, its just an idea.
Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-11-09 21:28:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmer Jones
Personally I'd nix the idea of a ship, particularly one with bonuses as described in OP. Bc's or above for real links, but I can see a way: mobile mining support beacons. Upside: provides gang bonuses equivalent to 1 t2 mining upgrade mod. It can't escape when ambushed, would have a low skill entry and possibly require ice based fuel, and be cheap.

Ed* whoops forgot to add that it is one of my bad ideas, takes a task away from a player or alt.
But... I'm slowly accepting that solo account players make good targets and while it is an mmo, sometimes you gotta go it alone.

Use the force without consent and the court wont acquit you even if you are a card carryin', robe wearin' Jedi.
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#9 - 2015-11-09 21:46:39 UTC
Felsusguy wrote:
Bla5to Frigate wrote:
Your Rorqual can't fit in a c-13. That is why this is a niche ship. Did you even read the whole thing?Big smile

Whether the Rorqual can go there or not is irrelevant. Your "boosting ship" could go where the Rorqual can go.

Personally, though, I'm more worried about the Orca.

The Orca has a 3% per level skill bonus to mining foreman links. That's only 15% at Level V. So no matter what bonus you give this thing, it's going to be a severe indirect nerf to the Orca. Much cheaper, much safer, capable of compressing ore... Quite the dangerous combination you've cooked up. No thanks, though, I prefer not obsoleting existing ships.


this and also there is a reason boosting is only possible for cruisers and up

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
Bla5to Frigate
NE Demolition Services
#10 - 2015-11-09 22:09:52 UTC
Just big dreams I suppose. Lol Oh well, I can dream ninja boosting c-13 fleet dreams....

Thanks for the feedback on this crazy idea, that in retrospect isn't allowed for pretty good reasons...

Besides, these ships are slippery anyways....

Sometimes I get myself all worked up.

Fly safe!
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2015-11-10 01:25:27 UTC
Bla5to Frigate wrote:
I would like to propose a new ship. Since we are being blessed with the new "Endurance" allowing us wormholers to have access to the sweet ice located in the c13 shattered wormholes, how about the next new expedition frigate being a booster. Idea

It would be frigate sized, allowing boosts to the cute little fleets of Ventures, Prospects and Endurances greedily mining the quality ore's, gasses, and sweet sweet ice in the shattered wormholes. I think it should be able to provide at least some kind of defensive capabilities to fend off the rats for the fleet. I'll just throw it out there too that it should be able to compress ore and ice to hold in its own hull. It would also require Expidition Frigate to be at level 5 to unlock (giving a reason to train besides some stat buffs). It wouldn't have any slots for any kind of lasers, but be able to have a survey scanner and tracking unit and be able to use links. It would be primarily a cycle time booster/defense/hauler and more than one would be ideal as they will need to warp off to offload fairly often (due to frigate sized ore holds).

I'm thinking the buffs should be slightly below the Orca as it is a frigate. The price would be fairly comparable to the Orca as well.
Being designed for "ninja fleet operations" it should be pretty slippery as well. If not cloaky, it should at least be dscan immune.


It is a very niche roll of best supplying buffs in the shattered wormholes but can be utilized in other situations as well.

There might be some holes in my idea, but thats why I'm posting it for the community to either burn it down, or suggest improvements that I am not thinking of.

Perhaps it can be called "Livingstone".


A frigate/destroyer sized boosting vessel is a perfectly fine idea, but don't get carried away. I'd say 1, maybe, maybe, maybe 2 boosters only. As for ore holds and crushing, no, no, no. Now we're talking about facilities the size of a city.

I am okay with giving it some minor defensive capabilities for fleet protection, but we really shouldn't be mashing to many ingredients into this potato salad. I'd say give it a healthy drone bay, but a set of turrets or missile launchers could be acceptable in lou of this.
Bla5to Frigate
NE Demolition Services
#12 - 2015-11-10 01:30:01 UTC
Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:
Bla5to Frigate wrote:
I would like to propose a new ship. Since we are being blessed with the new "Endurance" allowing us wormholers to have access to the sweet ice located in the c13 shattered wormholes, how about the next new expedition frigate being a booster. Idea

It would be frigate sized, allowing boosts to the cute little fleets of Ventures, Prospects and Endurances greedily mining the quality ore's, gasses, and sweet sweet ice in the shattered wormholes. I think it should be able to provide at least some kind of defensive capabilities to fend off the rats for the fleet. I'll just throw it out there too that it should be able to compress ore and ice to hold in its own hull. It would also require Expidition Frigate to be at level 5 to unlock (giving a reason to train besides some stat buffs). It wouldn't have any slots for any kind of lasers, but be able to have a survey scanner and tracking unit and be able to use links. It would be primarily a cycle time booster/defense/hauler and more than one would be ideal as they will need to warp off to offload fairly often (due to frigate sized ore holds).

I'm thinking the buffs should be slightly below the Orca as it is a frigate. The price would be fairly comparable to the Orca as well.
Being designed for "ninja fleet operations" it should be pretty slippery as well. If not cloaky, it should at least be dscan immune.


It is a very niche roll of best supplying buffs in the shattered wormholes but can be utilized in other situations as well.

There might be some holes in my idea, but thats why I'm posting it for the community to either burn it down, or suggest improvements that I am not thinking of.

Perhaps it can be called "Livingstone".


A frigate/destroyer sized boosting vessel is a perfectly fine idea, but don't get carried away. I'd say 1, maybe, maybe, maybe 2 boosters only. As for ore holds and crushing, no, no, no. Now we're talking about facilities the size of a city.

I am okay with giving it some minor defensive capabilities for fleet protection, but we really shouldn't be mashing to many ingredients into this potato salad. I'd say give it a healthy drone bay, but a set of turrets or missile launchers could be acceptable in lou of this.


I can see something more along these lines. Just a slightly larger drone bay say enough for 5 light drones (Like the Astero). Plenty enough for rats, and the occasional bomber etc... Then its more of a dedicated booster (albiet only slightly) and defense. I agree in hindsight about the compression capability. It does seem rather cumbersome for a frigate after all.
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#13 - 2015-11-10 08:37:34 UTC
Why not a small barge? Probes, two boosters, some drones, fast align-and no stripminers.

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Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#14 - 2015-11-10 16:00:40 UTC
make it a barge, and in order to not obsolete the orca, the boosts would have to be a 50% role malus, with a 1-2% skill bonus

For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it [u]WILL[/u] be.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#15 - 2015-11-10 16:16:00 UTC
So as it stands right now leet pilots can't get a booster through a frigate limited wh. This should not change.

If this mining frigate is allowed to provide boosts, then mining boosts ONLY. The last thing eve needs is a frigate sized boosting ship (although if they ever get boosters on grid, then I would see where a lot of fun could be had with on grid boosting frigates).
Jones Deninard
Terminal Velocity Enterprises
#16 - 2015-11-10 16:20:28 UTC
I like the concept of a boosting frigate. Honestly, I don't care if a rorqual gets nerfed. I do think that it should be a weak boost though. How about a 50m3 drone bay and enough bandwidth for 5 lights, 4 highs with 3 turret and launcher points, and can only fit 1 mining foreman link. Perhaps even adjust the CPU/power grid so only a T1 can fit. No compression or ore hold though. I will take **** for this, but I could see where a bonus in the form of interdiction nullification would be useful. I could see this thing getting terrible align times, and an inability to cloak, even T1 as a way to balance the interdiction nullification. Basically it would be there for some bonus and muscle to survive a small ambush and get out.
Ix Method
Doomheim
#17 - 2015-11-10 16:40:43 UTC
Yep, dessie boosters should be a thing for mining and pew tbh.

Travelling at the speed of love.
Bla5to Frigate
NE Demolition Services
#18 - 2015-11-10 22:38:31 UTC
I think we're making progress on the ideal role that this ship would fill....

It would provide only a small boost. More than likely only one 1 boost (that would have to be a boost to make it worth bringing one of these ships). A larger drone bay/bandwidth for defense. Slower than all the other ORE frigates (the others are designed to be sneaky little buggars) with a larger signature radius and slower warp speed. The boosts (and this is important) have to be supplied "on grid" say within 150 km or something. I was thinking dscan immune, (it will be seen as soon as anything landed on grid to try and go after the rest of the fleet) but the other suggestions are good as well. It should not be able to sit on grid cloaked, period! No covops, no cloaking of any kind. It would still take a larger skill plan to get into this ship, similar to the training plan of the Orca. It would require expedition frigate 5. Again, the boosting at max skill will be about half of the Orca's boosts (debatable). This is a very niche ship and not designed to compete with the Orca or Rorqual, but fill in a gap on a fleet that will very soon be common in WH space. Especially c13's and the ice fields! In fact, its the only one able to provide any type boosts in the frigate sized wh's. I do think it should have at least a 15k ore hold (keeping up with the new Endurance) and be able to activate a tracking unit. Again, I'm seeing this in small groups constantly providing boost and hauling goods out of the system acting in the same capacity as an Orca does for the most part.

I think we can boil this down and refine it further.

Any other haters.... I mean suggestions? Straight What type of boost would be worthy of a ship like this? What other attributes should it have/not have? Slot layout? Alot to still determine....
Bla5to Frigate
NE Demolition Services
#19 - 2015-11-10 22:49:48 UTC
Bla5to Frigate wrote:
I think we're making progress on the ideal role that this ship would fill....

It would provide only a small boost. More than likely only one 1 boost (that would have to be a boost to make it worth bringing one of these ships). A larger drone bay/bandwidth for defense. Slower than all the other ORE frigates (the others are designed to be sneaky little buggars) with a larger signature radius and slower warp speed. The boosts (and this is important) have to be supplied "on grid" say within 150 km or something. I was thinking dscan immune, (it will be seen as soon as anything landed on grid to try and go after the rest of the fleet) but the other suggestions are good as well. It should not be able to sit on grid cloaked, period! No covops, no cloaking of any kind. It would still take a larger skill plan to get into this ship, similar to the training plan of the Orca. It would require expedition frigate 5. Again, the boosting at max skill will be about half of the Orca's boosts (debatable). This is a very niche ship and not designed to compete with the Orca or Rorqual, but fill in a gap on a fleet that will very soon be common in WH space. Especially c13's and the ice fields! In fact, its the only one able to provide any type boosts in the frigate sized wh's. I do think it should have at least a 15k ore hold (keeping up with the new Endurance) and be able to activate a tracking unit. Again, I'm seeing this in small groups constantly providing boost and hauling goods out of the system acting in the same capacity as an Orca does for the most part.

I'm telling you, I can see these c-13 ice fields being highly contested by the WH corps!

I think we can boil this down and refine it further.

Any other suggestions/feedback? Straight What type of boost would be worthy of a ship like this? What other attributes should it have/not have? Slot layout? CPU? Powergrid? Alot to still determine....
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2015-11-10 23:51:14 UTC
Bla5to Frigate wrote:
Bla5to Frigate wrote:
I think we're making progress on the ideal role that this ship would fill....

It would provide only a small boost. More than likely only one 1 boost (that would have to be a boost to make it worth bringing one of these ships). A larger drone bay/bandwidth for defense. Slower than all the other ORE frigates (the others are designed to be sneaky little buggars) with a larger signature radius and slower warp speed. The boosts (and this is important) have to be supplied "on grid" say within 150 km or something. I was thinking dscan immune, (it will be seen as soon as anything landed on grid to try and go after the rest of the fleet) but the other suggestions are good as well. It should not be able to sit on grid cloaked, period! No covops, no cloaking of any kind. It would still take a larger skill plan to get into this ship, similar to the training plan of the Orca. It would require expedition frigate 5. Again, the boosting at max skill will be about half of the Orca's boosts (debatable). This is a very niche ship and not designed to compete with the Orca or Rorqual, but fill in a gap on a fleet that will very soon be common in WH space. Especially c13's and the ice fields! In fact, its the only one able to provide any type boosts in the frigate sized wh's. I do think it should have at least a 15k ore hold (keeping up with the new Endurance) and be able to activate a tracking unit. Again, I'm seeing this in small groups constantly providing boost and hauling goods out of the system acting in the same capacity as an Orca does for the most part.

I'm telling you, I can see these c-13 ice fields being highly contested by the WH corps!

I think we can boil this down and refine it further.

Any other suggestions/feedback? Straight What type of boost would be worthy of a ship like this? What other attributes should it have/not have? Slot layout? CPU? Powergrid? Alot to still determine....



So big question, destroyer or frigate sized? I think to house the capabilities in question a destroyer, but whatever.

I say two options, both allow for a single fleet assist booster w/ a ship role bonus for that module. This forces you to really pick your option wisely for max effectiveness. It also will not undermine Orcas or Roquals.

4 High Slots, 2 turrets or 2 launchers
3 Mid Slots
3 Low Slots
0 Drone Bay/M-Bits

Or

2 High Slots, 0 turrets or 0 launchers
3 Mid Slots
3 Low Slots
40 Drone Bay/25 M-Bits
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