Missions & Complexes

Well been doing serp deds for about a yr now and i only do 7-10s. Out of nowhere my loot drops that i have been getting from them have been crap! Never had a span like this ever. Over the past 3 days i did 9 8's and 2 7's with little to show for it (other than expect bounties and boxes) and not a single vindy! No shadow sebo or any mods worth over 100m.

My avg earnings for what i normally make isk wise has dramatically decreased recently and has hit worse the past three days. Have they changed the loot drops or anything like that or did i have a really bad 3 days in a row. I know i cant get a vindy every other one but normally i wouldnt go over 2 days without seeing at least one with the amount of sites i would run.

Well, the Dev's just might be readjusting the loot table .......................... again.

Best to run some more sites for a couple of days and see if it remains the same. If not, then you just had a run of bad luck.



DMC

Well I have to agree with the OP.

I run a lot of Serpentis sites (albeit in hi and low sec) and there have been several times where nothing at all dropped. I ran 4 Serpentis Phi-Outposts about a week ago and each one of them only dropped the overseer effects and random modules that were not deadspace or faction modules. Similarly, I have either scanned or escalated into Serpentis Narcotics Warehouses that have dropped very little as well - one escalated into a nullsec system and it dropped only 3M ISK, most of which was the overseer effect. Absolute waste of time.

Just last night I ran the final escalation of Booster R&D and upon killing the drug escort BC, he dropped a Shadow Serpentis module worth 800K ISK and some drugs worth much less. If a site is taking you into the risky areas of space, the loot should be appropriately rewarding.

With all due respect, that is quite obvious. What I am arguing is that the drop rates should be improved. When you can just faceroll an incursion with relatively little risk to your ship (and guaranteed insurance options) it is non-sensical to have sites that require risking your ship (especially low and null) or require you to scan them down, and drop nothing at all.

That might be so, but I think it isn't that far a stretch to say that going deep into nullsec for an expedition to drop 3M ISK is quite unreasonable given the current status of a hi-sec incursion.

Sure the value may drop, but it isn't going to drop so much that it would be worse than getting a crappy 3M ISK in overseer effects.

The OP was talking about the loot tables, not a lack of sites in 0.0. Also he said he ran about 11 sites, I would not call that a low number.

I was only mentioning what I found in 4 phi-outposts I ran as an example to support his claim, and I also indicated that this happens in expeditions into low and null as well.

If you're going into low and null to run these sites and are at risk of people hunting you down, they should at least be consistent in giving you something. I cited several examples where they dropped absolutely nothing at all. Your point about devaluation of the mods has some credit to it but at the end of the day getting the module is still better than giving someone nothing but overseer effects.

I did a few 7s and 8s today and my loot has been normal.

I am finding the same too. I keep track of what drops over time and the drops for rated, unrated escalations and BPC drops are all down to a level where the decrease registers as statistically significant. Now I've had this happen before to one area - eg BPC stopped dropping a while back - but never to this extent across all.

I'll keep an eye on it over time. Best not to get too superstitious about such things.

Random. Also, you are running anoms in one of the most trafficked nullsec space there is. You might be hitting a bad patch, and someone else is getting good drops. The pendulum will swing back to you....eventually.

And to the person thinking nullsec space should have more guaranteed drops because your risk is greater, NO. Your risk is not greater. In fact the person running sites in lowsec runs a greater risk than you. By your reasoning, they should get better drops. Also, Vindi BPCs only drop in nullsec, so you are already getting better drops.

Well, I wouldn't be surprised if CCP has once again adjusted the loot table down.

Of course CCP won't say anything about it. In my opinion CCP basically counts on other players who don't know anything about it to post the go-to answer - RNG - which can't be proven. On top of that whenever players start posting about lack of loot drops, those players who state RNG usually dismiss the amount presented as the basis of the claim and often request a larger sample size.

I've seen it happen quite often in my 7 1/2 years of playing this game.


DMC