Ships & Modules

I'm going to do some work in EFT and test out the DPS I get with RHML and Cruise missiles against ships with similar sig radii and velocities as you can typically expect in L4 missions.

I'm going to test the DPS with, and without target painters and webs, to see which missile platform performs the best.

I plan to ignore torpedos, because torpedos seem to be best used on larger ships, and L4 missions have a lot of ships that are smaller than battleships.

After doing all this with the Typhoon, I plan to do it again, with the Typhoon Fleet Issue.

However, before I get to work, I wanted to post here on the forums and ask you guys/gals -> RHML or Cruise for Typhoon on L4 missions? (or Typhoon Fleet Issue)

This is very helpful, thank you.

Are the RHML Reload times taken into account? It hugely nerfs your dps over time. You DPS will show as being really high but that's only true for a single clip.

It all depends on what you are planning on using the ship for, ratting/missions, or PvP

RHMLs take 5 years to reload. If you can't clear a room in 1 magazine, you'll be running super slow.

Train tech II sentries. Use cruise missiles.

I often use a Fleet Phoon with one DLA II in a utility high and a painter in a mid. The sentries are used to take out the frig and dessys at 84km or closer. The cruise launcher IIs are for everything else. I use regular or precision cruises for the cruisers. The BCs and BSs get fury cruises. If any frigs get under the sentries I just mop them up with light tech II drones.

I see so many missile users trying to figure out how to use only missiles in missions. Most missile boats have a drone bay. Drones are excellent for taking out small stuff. Gun boats have to use them too if they small ships get under the gun tracking. So don't go rigor crazy or whatever trying to make your large missiles kill everything. Train some drone skills and use them.

The phoonkind are blessed with a larger drone bay than most nondrone boats. So sentries are very nice to use.

I'd go with cruise. long range, short reload, and npcs are pretty fat and slow compared to player ships.

And here we go with the -_-_***Typhoon Fleet Issue***_-_-

Now we're using the Typhoon Fleet Issue and we're also incorporating the reload time into the equation.

I'm sorry for the confusing change of color, but here's the colors...

The BLUE LINE is the RHML
The GREEN LINE is the Cruise Launcher
The RED LINE is the Torpedo Launcher

Against the Cruiser...

http://i.imgur.com/uCYTS2g.png


Against the Battleship...

http://i.imgur.com/iOgZcEY.png

Conclusions:

1. Uriam Khanid stated "there is only one ship that good for rapid heavy's on L4 - Fleet Typhoon" - and while I don't 100% agree with this statement, it is clear the the TFI is much better suited for RHML's than the regular Typhoon.

2. The TFI does good damage with RHML against Battleships that are beyond web range.

I did further testing with T2 ammunition. I wont post the graphs because I don't want to overload this thread with so many graphs that things become confusing. Instead I'll just say this: With T2 missiles, Torpedos do HUGE damage, as long as the targets are within web range. Beyond web range, RHML does better dps. Cruise missiles have the best range. That's a summary of my findings so far anyways.

At 23km the cruise dps drops to 0?

what?

what is your fit and are you using implants?

Webs can be very strong for missile application, but the ranges involved are so small, that it just isn't really helpful in most missions. using another painter, or a missile guidance computer might provide better overall damage.

for the TFI:
looks to me that using 2x rigor II 1x flare II, a RF painter and a precision scripted MGC you get full application with faction cruise missiles on cruisers.

same setup but with 3x painters 2x mgc and 5% implants gets full application with fury. That however gets into the realm of wasting slots that need to be doing other thigns. Looks like 2x painter 1x mgc is what I'd try to fly with, leaving a slot for a cap injector and a prop mod.

good application is nice on cruisers as you can usually fire 1 volley and let your sentry drones finish off the target, or two volley the target.

with RHML you don't need all of this. and you apply damage much better to all ship, even frig's.
and other disadvantage of RHML - you need to MONITOR how you apply damage.
it means that you need to stop shooting on the target, BEFORE you hit the target. and it is a big problem, not the 35 sec reload