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Share Screenshoots Ingame
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Bloody2k
SKULL AND B0NES
#1 - 2015-11-08 10:11:34 UTC
Hey guys,
I am of the opinion, that it is usefull to share screenshoots ingame via drag-and-drop (like fittings or contracts) in a gamechannel/chat.

What do you think?
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-11-08 10:14:50 UTC
Can't see any reason why not


+1

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-11-08 11:09:22 UTC
Screenshots take storage, to share them means server side storage which CCP won't want to pay for because why should they? However...maybe CCP could do a sponsored deal with imgur or similar to build in direct access in game but put an imgur watermark in the top corner of the image. Make imgur a corp in game so not to break immersion.
Bloody2k
SKULL AND B0NES
#4 - 2015-11-08 11:22:46 UTC
several possibilities are conceivable:

- time limited (<5min, <1h, 24h....) maybee for ISK, <5min for free?

- corporation-cloud for rent like an office

...any other suggestions?
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#5 - 2015-11-08 11:28:48 UTC
I don't see a benefit over existing solutions like Gayzo or lightroom or any of the other existing image hosters.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
Bloody2k
SKULL AND B0NES
#6 - 2015-11-08 11:41:24 UTC
@ #5

It is much more complicated. You have to:

1. save the screenshoot
2. call the share site
3. search the screenshoot-file
4. upload the screenshoot-file
5. share the link

In my suggestion it is:

1. make the screenshoot
2. automatic started window -->share with (corp, local, pilot xyz)

You also have no history of several posted images. If a corp is using
a corp-tool like drop-box anybody have to install it. If it is a game-based-tool,
nobody have to install anything.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#7 - 2015-11-08 12:00:40 UTC
And you want CCP to waste money on the storage space? CCP has bigger things to worry about than paying for storage space to provide a solution that already exists in better form developed and maintained by third-parties.

Besides, with Gyazo or imgur, you install their screenshot handler software and do not need to look for any screenshot on your computer and you can manipulate (crop, trim, highlight stuff,...) with these. The upload also happens (semi)automatically, so all your steps are eliminated except for the installation of the program.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
Bloody2k
SKULL AND B0NES
#8 - 2015-11-08 12:46:00 UTC
@ Rivr Luzade

in #5 you wrote: that you did "not see the benefit"

in #7 you wrote: "And you want CCP to waste money on the storage space?"

Thats an other question. I see the benefit. I can not judge whether it is worthwhile for CCP.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#9 - 2015-11-08 14:50:11 UTC
NO - Because of the lag producing qualities of your idea. Everything you transfer from your computer to anyone else in game must go through the serves thus creating the potential for lag.
Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-11-08 15:01:02 UTC
I immediately thought of those types of people that take a half dozen+ pictures of every meal they consume and shuddered in horror at the thought of how many screenshots of jita would be made every hour.

Then I thought about "ah" chains, and various exploits of the past to break servers and screw with large fleet combat.

To put it baldly, it will be used to screw up the game.

Use the force without consent and the court wont acquit you even if you are a card carryin', robe wearin' Jedi.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-11-08 15:27:17 UTC
Bloody2k wrote:
several possibilities are conceivable:

- time limited (<5min, <1h, 24h....) maybee for ISK, <5min for free?

- corporation-cloud for rent like an office

...any other suggestions?


To be clear it is the technical limitations that would kill this (and the servers).

You take a screenshot which is stored locally on your client. No problem, that's all client side.

Then you upload the picture to a server providing the access to the stored images and the storage to hold them. This would need to be new hardware with dedicated network links, or throttled in someway to prevent lag on the actual game network. Storage would still be required whatever.

Next you share the link and everyone goes to look at it in your group...more network bandwidth required at CCP's end.

This would be far more than CCP adding a bit of software for something that is already provided by many dedicated image sharing companies. A negotiated tie-in deal would be a far better option if CCP decided it was worth the time to discuss.
Nyalnara
Marauder Initiative
#12 - 2015-11-08 18:46:26 UTC
Maybe just use puu.sh ?

French half-noob.

Non, je ne suis pas gentil.
SecretService
Secret Services
#13 - 2015-11-08 21:06:45 UTC
imgur.com

#0 print screen key or handy windows snipping tool
#1 open imgur
#2 click upload, ctrl-v, start upload
#3 you have the link.

and that's without any additional local tools. (eg. getsharex)
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-11-09 00:16:10 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:


To be clear it is the technical limitations that would kill this (and the servers).

You take a screenshot which is stored locally on your client. No problem, that's all client side.

Then you upload the picture to a server providing the access to the stored images and the storage to hold them. This would need to be new hardware with dedicated network links, or throttled in someway to prevent lag on the actual game network. Storage would still be required whatever.

Next you share the link and everyone goes to look at it in your group...more network bandwidth required at CCP's end.

This would be far more than CCP adding a bit of software for something that is already provided by many dedicated image sharing companies. A negotiated tie-in deal would be a far better option if CCP decided it was worth the time to discuss.




So how is this different than a saved fit, or your watch list, or overview settings checks?

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal
Bloody2k
SKULL AND B0NES
#15 - 2015-11-09 17:20:20 UTC
On the other hand, CCP lost in average ~15k player in the last 4 years. Traffic is not comprehensible thesis.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-11-09 18:41:19 UTC
Bloody2k wrote:
On the other hand, CCP lost in average ~15k player in the last 4 years. Traffic is not comprehensible thesis.


So their reduced income is a point in favor of creating new expense for storage of a shitload of pics?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-11-09 18:53:14 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:


To be clear it is the technical limitations that would kill this (and the servers).

You take a screenshot which is stored locally on your client. No problem, that's all client side.

Then you upload the picture to a server providing the access to the stored images and the storage to hold them. This would need to be new hardware with dedicated network links, or throttled in someway to prevent lag on the actual game network. Storage would still be required whatever.

Next you share the link and everyone goes to look at it in your group...more network bandwidth required at CCP's end.

This would be far more than CCP adding a bit of software for something that is already provided by many dedicated image sharing companies. A negotiated tie-in deal would be a far better option if CCP decided it was worth the time to discuss.




So how is this different than a saved fit, or your watch list, or overview settings checks?


Saved fits are used by other game mechanics and contract have to exist to work. SS are not needed for any feature to actually work.
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-11-09 19:45:20 UTC
I'll admit to not being the most techy person out there, so I was legitimately asking how it was different. I will add in though, that we used to not have an IGB(as meh as it is, it still is far easier to load the IGB, go to fleet-up, and open a fit in game from there than it is to export here then import here, then find it your x number of fits, as an example). We also used to not have a skill queue that expanded beyond 24 hour placement, so everything beyond that had to be done by evemon(equivalent.) Yes, Evemon is still better at it, but one isn't effectively required to download evemon anymore to plan a months training.

As long as it could be done without creating any new 'major' lag inducing systems, it's more a QoL/ease of use thing as far as I'm concerned. Yes, Puush works fine. Yes Imgur works fine. But so too did just having a browser open and then going between the two screens. Whether this happens or not, there are still plenty of ways to play the lag mechanics that this feature will have no effect on, as they will happen with or without it.

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal
Iain Cariaba
#19 - 2015-11-10 04:47:41 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:


To be clear it is the technical limitations that would kill this (and the servers).

You take a screenshot which is stored locally on your client. No problem, that's all client side.

Then you upload the picture to a server providing the access to the stored images and the storage to hold them. This would need to be new hardware with dedicated network links, or throttled in someway to prevent lag on the actual game network. Storage would still be required whatever.

Next you share the link and everyone goes to look at it in your group...more network bandwidth required at CCP's end.

This would be far more than CCP adding a bit of software for something that is already provided by many dedicated image sharing companies. A negotiated tie-in deal would be a far better option if CCP decided it was worth the time to discuss.




So how is this different than a saved fit, or your watch list, or overview settings checks?

Saved fits, watchlists, and shared overviews are relatively small text files. Screenshots are not.
TheSylance
Enchanted Minds
#20 - 2015-11-10 09:30:42 UTC  |  Edited by: TheSylance
Bloody2k wrote:
@ #5

It is much more complicated. You have to:

1. save the screenshoot
2. call the share site
3. search the screenshoot-file
4. upload the screenshoot-file
5. share the link

In my suggestion it is:

1. make the screenshoot
2. automatic started window -->share with (corp, local, pilot xyz)

You also have no history of several posted images. If a corp is using
a corp-tool like drop-box anybody have to install it. If it is a game-based-tool,
nobody have to install anything.


Just use ShareX!
configure it once and you are done with this topic!
My Setup:
ctr+print = Capture rectangle region -> Upload to hoster -> shorten url -> paste url to clipboard
print = Capture screen -> Upload to hoster -> shorten url -> paste url to clipboard

Hoster and Shortener are changable.
Software is free and even supports shot videos or animated gifs.
for example: How to set drones to agressive?
[ctr.+alt+print] -> select region (recording starts) -> do whatever you want to shot -> press hotkey again to stop -> wait a few secs for file to be uploaded and URL to be posted to clipboard -> paste url to chat.
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