Ships & Modules

Most of the time its a valid thing to assume. I'm a bit more interested in the idea of flying the Deimos as a kiting ship than the idea of flying it as a kiting anti-kiting ship.

-Liang

Actually just tested the new null version and I'm quite interested on it now at least to scare crap usually kiting at top disruptor range (30km if not in bonused ship), with the blasters improvements it can put some dmg on targets at decent distance now and if your target decides to stay in disrupt range then better be sure what he's doing.

But, penalties are still to heavy on T2 blaster ammo, Rails T2 ammo is still meh, faction ammo is better between CN AM and CN Iridium you get about the same dps (less penalties result overall in some better dps)
Med rails are still crap, large rails are still subpar and I can hardly see how only ship tweaks will improve those.

Diemos can't perma run his mwd unless you fit no guns and even then I'm not sure at all...

You have to factorise everything and just look at eft/pyfa numbers has something indicative, in fact in game the difference is even larger and opposed to what eft numbers show because the number of fights won by Diemos pilots vs Vagabons pilots just finished in such deserved name "Die-most".
That should tell you something about how right eft or theoretical numbers are, just brainwash, nothing serious to consider or take as absolute rule or example.



Indeed, let me give you the perfect example I just thought about.

I want to use some brawl fit cruiser sized ship and I have both Gallente/Minmatar skills - shield skills are less high than my armor skills but it's not really important since I can use T2 fit.

I take a look at Diemos and I already know when I'm alone whenever I choose or not to engage something I better be sure of what I'm engaging, because:

1- my ship has the shortest range gun type
2- my ship is one of the slowest ships of it's category while using the shortest range weapon
3- my ship can completely loose it's tank or dps ability if I get neuted
4- if I'm disrupted/neut I'm sure I'll get back in my pod, I can eject and restart

No I pick either 425mm/HAM Munin, or 220mm Vaga, both shield tanked not using neut stuff

It's easy, either Munin or Vaga are completely opposed to the above while playing in the same category. If I want to brawl I can choose between Vaga 220mm or Munin 425+Ham, if I want to snipe I can use 720mmT2 Munin while I'm not ready to pick any rails Diemos.

See the difference?

1. Not really. You are confusing the TE's which you fit in your Vaga and Munnin combined with Barrage, for zomg falloff and comparing it to an armour tanked ship where you cannot sacrifice for TE's. If you did kludge 2 TE's onto a Deimos via some strange form of mental illness you'd get 7.3+19.2 falloff, which is kinda in the same ballpark as Barrage.

2. It is a couple of 100m/s within a Vaga...so you wait for the elliptical orbit, align, OH and bam, you're in overheated web range and he's toast. Maybe learning to fly better is a choice here. And if you're fighting a Munnin, you are way faster than him anyway, so its game over Minnie.

3. You clearly are fitting active tank to your deimos if your tank can get neuted off, which means you suck at this...but fair call re: the guns. I guess you should avoid everything but alphafleets. Never train Amarr or you'll be afraid to undock.

4. Man up. The Deimos is a sleigh ride of terror and adrenaline.

:D omg lies all over is that only what you winmatard fans can do?

P sure he was talking about Trinkets there.

:) when imba angel ships gets nerfed then these matar noobs will whine the loudest
I hope we can hear that this year

The succubus would like a word with you.

Did they really say that? That explains a lot, actually.

I can't find quotes anymore (searching the old forums is :effort:) but their hierarchy was something like T1 > Navy > T2 > Pirate. Obviously it's not perfect, with Slicers being able to slice up most T2 and pirate faction frigs because lol optimal bonus + Scorch and Hookbills 0wning pretty goddamned hard as well, but for the most part it follows that trend.