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Jade Blackwind
#61 - 2015-11-06 10:22:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
On mushrooms: people often overlook them, but mushrooms are important.

Modern gen-modded mushrooms can grow basically on any organic waste if there's water and warmth, they need no sunlight, and a basic shroom farm is dirt cheap to set up, especially if you have free workforce.

When you look outside and see carbon dioxide ice and pretty northern lights in the sky, the weather's probably not good for farming, and the kind humanitarian space-people (also known as "lol, fools") refuse to send down tasty food any more. But there's ye olde fission reactor that keeps you warm and some women and children to put to use (eating women and children is probably impractical, as is dancing in dry leaf skirts around the reactor -- not that there are any dry leaves on the planet anyway), so what'd you gonna grow? Shrooms!

Shrooms save lives!

...I hate them with a passion, hehe

In fact, i'd rather eat a well-cooked snail than another mushroom. Shocked
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2015-11-06 10:35:15 UTC
Though I wouldn't rely on shrooms for calories.

What about beans?

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Jade Blackwind
#63 - 2015-11-06 10:46:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
Bean plants require good sunlight (or a decent light source of appropriate spectrum).
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2015-11-06 12:02:20 UTC
Now I am thinking of thermophilic bacteria farms.

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Jade Blackwind
#65 - 2015-11-06 12:29:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Now I am thinking of thermophilic bacteria farms.
...And bacterial biomass requires some relatively high-tech (okay, low industrial tech, but certainly not dirt cheap) processing equipment to make it into something edible.

When all you have is a nuclear cave, a stainless-steel club and a few hundred people to feed on a barren world, mushrooms win :P
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2015-11-06 12:51:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Jade Blackwind wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Now I am thinking of thermophilic bacteria farms.
...And bacterial biomass requires some relatively high-tech (okay, low industrial tech, but certainly not dirt cheap) processing equipment to make it into something edible.

When all you have is a nuclear cave, a stainless-steel club and a few hundred people to feed on a barren world, mushrooms win :P


Though considering that you managed to reach a planet without much in the way of sunlight and has way too much frost and you have a reactor on board I think it's possible to salvage some equipment for a bacteria or a yeast farm.

On the other hand....you can make soup out of mushrooms.

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Yarosara Ruil
#67 - 2015-11-06 12:55:45 UTC
Fun with fungus, humongus fungus.
Jade Blackwind
#68 - 2015-11-06 13:03:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
Elmund Egivand wrote:
On the other hand....you can make soup out of mushrooms.
I've seen people that managed to make hot dogs and "sushi" rolls out of mushrooms. Though there also were beans involved in those particular cases, but still.

*shudders*
Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#69 - 2015-11-06 13:47:37 UTC
It's possible to make very acceptable meat substitutes from mycoproteins, though the majority of the fungus used for this is not the fruiting body (mushroom). The Estates runs a very decent sideline in this, as there are several hundred million vegans and the like in the Federation who are avid consumers.

The good stuff grows in the geothermal caves of the northern volcanic region, right through the deep winter. Very profitable, as are the other fungal product lines we can grow alongside.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2015-11-06 14:18:03 UTC
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
It's possible to make very acceptable meat substitutes from mycoproteins, though the majority of the fungus used for this is not the fruiting body (mushroom). The Estates runs a very decent sideline in this, as there are several hundred million vegans and the like in the Federation who are avid consumers.

The good stuff grows in the geothermal caves of the northern volcanic region, right through the deep winter. Very profitable, as are the other fungal product lines we can grow alongside.


Though I still insist that if we are talking calories, mushrooms are found wanting.

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Omega Jovakko
Doomheim
#71 - 2015-11-07 05:59:48 UTC
Is there literally NO meat trade out here in the deep black?

"Let them try and come. They've got 3 for every 1 of ours, it'll be a great time"
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2015-11-07 13:15:05 UTC
Omega Jovakko wrote:
Is there literally NO meat trade out here in the deep black?


Meat is not guaranteed when you are stranded on a planet in the middle of nowhere. You could end up on a dirty snowball, then there is no meat to be found.

Though thinking about it, if the ship in question is a research and exploration vessel specialising in xenobiology, I suppose it is possible to put together the equipment to cultivate muscle cells with mutant MSTN genes, namely electrodes to stimulate growth and amino-acid-enriched nutrient vat tanks to provide the building blocks for growth of the cell culture.

That way we can develop lab-grown meat for consumption.

Of course, this isn't an efficient means of producing food.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#73 - 2015-11-07 17:06:42 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Of course, this isn't an efficient means of producing food.


Meat never is. Meat tends to win out by being easy under 'primitive' conditions: you let the meat live where it can eats the foliage you can't, and the meat takes care of growing and making more meat all on its own, and produces meat by-products along the way like leather, bone meal, milk, and so forth.

It's very useful for low-tech societies to use meat - and from there, you get a kind of inertial 'we eat meat' going on, even after all of the meat by-products are supplanted by synthetics. Starting from scratch for more developed societies, it's probably better to attempt mass production of pre-meat protein solutions. ie: nuts. Legumes are probably the best for this, as they can be grown in bulk with hydroponics, rather than relying on space-intensive trees.
Calliste Dauvienne
Doomheim
#74 - 2015-11-07 22:09:44 UTC
I don't usually talk about the weather because it's a topic that is difficult to segue into an invitation to #watchholoflixandchill.

There is nothing like having the opportunity to light some sandlewood scented candles and watch a movie curled up together with a close girlfriend on the sofa. Although I'm usually far too engrossed in the plot to be much one for conversation while watching movies.
Omega Jovakko
Doomheim
#75 - 2015-11-08 00:12:37 UTC
Calliste Dauvienne wrote:
I don't usually talk about the weather because it's a topic that is difficult to segue into an invitation to #watchholoflixandchill.

There is nothing like having the opportunity to light some sandlewood scented candles and watch a movie curled up together with a close girlfriend on the sofa. Although I'm usually far too engrossed in the plot to be much one for conversation while watching movies.



Which Holoflix do you prefer? I'm a fan of the Inspiring director "Jean-Luc Durant" of the Caldari Navy

"Let them try and come. They've got 3 for every 1 of ours, it'll be a great time"
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2015-11-09 02:18:55 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Of course, this isn't an efficient means of producing food.


Meat never is. Meat tends to win out by being easy under 'primitive' conditions: you let the meat live where it can eats the foliage you can't, and the meat takes care of growing and making more meat all on its own, and produces meat by-products along the way like leather, bone meal, milk, and so forth.

It's very useful for low-tech societies to use meat - and from there, you get a kind of inertial 'we eat meat' going on, even after all of the meat by-products are supplanted by synthetics. Starting from scratch for more developed societies, it's probably better to attempt mass production of pre-meat protein solutions. ie: nuts. Legumes are probably the best for this, as they can be grown in bulk with hydroponics, rather than relying on space-intensive trees.


Who relies on trees for their main food supply anyway? It's always grains, nuts, beans and roots far as I know. Throw in a couple berries you can harvest off shrubs and dietary needs are already fulfilled. Easy to shove all of that into a battleship and up. In case of getting stranded, it shouldn't be too difficult to set up the equipment to grow some for long-term consumption.

Unless of course, said ship crashed into a dirty snowball of a planet, then the poor sods are having problems. Either hope the reactor's intact and draw power from that to grow the stuff, or subsist on a diet of mushrooms grown on one's own crap.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#77 - 2015-11-09 03:38:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Grains are only post-agriculture.
Berries are highly seasonal, and don't preserve as well as you might like.
Roots - solid option.

Nuts...

.... come from trees. False nuts - legumes, like peanuts - don't, but that's part of 'roots', really. Walnuts, pecans, almonds, cashews... nuts come from trees. So...

Elmund Egivand wrote:
Who relies on trees for their main food supply anyway? It's always grains, nuts, beans and roots far as I know.


Who relies on trees for their main food supply? Anyone incorporating a large proportion of nuts.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2015-11-09 03:39:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Arrendis wrote:
Grains are only post-agriculture.
Berries are highly seasonal, and don't preserve as well as you might like.
Roots - solid option.

Nuts...

.... come from trees. False nuts - legumes, like peanuts - don't, but that's part of 'roots', really. Walnuts, pecans, almonds, cashews... nuts come from trees. So...

Elmund Egivand wrote:
Who relies on trees for their main food supply anyway? It's always grains, nuts, beans and roots far as I know.


Who relies on trees for their main food supply? Anyone incorporating a large proportion of nuts.


I was certainly thinking of peanuts and legumes when I mentioned nuts.

Let's all eat potatoes.

Or beans.

I like beans.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#79 - 2015-11-09 03:44:50 UTC
To clarify, though:

Grains aren't a source of protein. They're almost pure carbohydrates, and generally a source of dietary problems. The major advantage of agriculture wasn't to allow people to live a more healthy life, but to live more densely. When the risk of dying from extra-tribal violence or natural hardship (weather, pestilence, rampaging hordes of Dire Chinchillas) was more of a danger than death due to poor dietary health, agriculture made sense. A short-term benefit, in exchange for the long-term detriment of putting humanity solidly on the path of consuming primarily carbohydrates. Potatoes run into the same problem - it's all starch, and a diet of primarily carbohydrates is fundamentally unhealthy.

Also, berries are also not a protein source, as they're primarily fructose delivery systems.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2015-11-09 04:05:45 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
To clarify, though:

Grains aren't a source of protein. They're almost pure carbohydrates, and generally a source of dietary problems. The major advantage of agriculture wasn't to allow people to live a more healthy life, but to live more densely. When the risk of dying from extra-tribal violence or natural hardship (weather, pestilence, rampaging hordes of Dire Chinchillas) was more of a danger than death due to poor dietary health, agriculture made sense. A short-term benefit, in exchange for the long-term detriment of putting humanity solidly on the path of consuming primarily carbohydrates. Potatoes run into the same problem - it's all starch, and a diet of primarily carbohydrates is fundamentally unhealthy.

Also, berries are also not a protein source, as they're primarily fructose delivery systems.


I know that. All these are pure calorie.

If I'm not wrong, beans are a source of proteins.

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