Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Not exactly a refutation of my points though is that Vimsy.

You just got dunked on...ayyyyyyyyyy

The difference is that the defenders are penalized for it.

Yes they are. They bleed playtime wasting it to be on attacker's terms no matter who of two is outgunned. Bleeding playtime, with the current plex prices, is a major penalty, considering something like 2 hours per day of playtime, it'll be 20 million ISK per hour, or 280 million ISK per week of war dec that attacker gets to deny by just pressing a silly little overpowered button and sitting docked (or in some cases even offline).

I probably can't get through your thick, bladder content covered, dysfunctional intracranial substance, but I'd like to know how you are going to deny 280 million PER ACCOUNT not being a major punishment. Though you're likely to pick the word out of the whole post and say something stupid on it, utterly ignoring the rest of it.

Define often. You think if someone was serious threat to your precious poco's you would have lost one by now. Even the best pvper's have a bad day. Your war decing targets who are safe targets who get not benefit from taking down your pocos which at best is a minor incovience for you. Simply put I don't think their exposure is a significant enough threat to your play style. Your play style is dependent on keeping a war like that open as long as possible and as often as possible. If the aggressor isn't willing to invest resources into fighting a war, why should it stay open?

Why are you so strongly against it then?
I'm not entirely for it as well, just asking.


We've been over this a hundred times.
Attacker carries zero risk - he can just dock up if he doesn't like the odds, and if defender ships out of combat ships into certain death indy ships, the odds have changed and attacker can undock again, so the defender is penalized and forced to basically either sit in a combat ship he doesn't need and wasted ISK to get all week long, or don't login all week long (which is a better decision since the end result is the same, but you don't waste ISK on useless combat ship and don't risk it blowing up juuuuuust like the attacker does).
Allies are useless and irrelevant - all they can do is scare the attacker, though considering the amount of moaning that mechanic gets, being scared is a major deterrent for all war dec griefers.


If you prefer to keep structures in your war dec corp, that is your own stupidity. Keep them in an alt corp, join as allies when it's decced, or stop complaining.


The aggressor gets immunity by picking a target which he can grief with no risk of retribution (and just in case you haven't got it first time - allies are useless and irrelevant, since they bring literally nothing but a slim and perfectly manageable chance of said immunity weakening, and I've yet to see it happen).

This is exactly why carebears hate it.

No, they should not. That should be up to the players. You don't get to chop player freedom off at the knees.




No. EVE Online is a PvP game first, last and always. PvP belongs everywhere, including (and especially) highsec. If your goal is no PvP at all costs, there is every other MMO in the industry for you to go play instead.

No, just bring about Trammel. You've been quite clear about that, so trying to tiptoe around isn't fooling anyone.



Wars and ganking still being around are not "failures", those are deliberate and intended gameplay.

You're still playing the wrong game.

Just leave Wardecs alone until after we have all the new structures.
They can't avoid wardecs so the entire face of wars is going to be changed, lets see how it all actually lands before trying to change it shall we.

While ganking has one certain problem with it, it's not the point.
The point is, our buddy Kaarous does not operate his intracranial tissue on a level which allows to comprehend the meaning of "strawman". He's deliriously convinced that going with whatever comes up when his bladder content hits the skull is the way to go and automatically assumes that to be the peak of intelligence and spreads that peak to everyone - in short, he is convinced we all are going with the first thought which comes up when bladder content hits the brain.
Therefore, he cannot be reasoned with. Solid numeral proof is being ignored because it's incomprehensible for the subject. Solid logical point is ignored on the subject that everyone is just using backwards reasoning - simply he thinks we just rationalize our agenda with whatever means possible, and if our agenda doesn't match his, it's false, so we lie, but he doesn't know where (because he's incapable of conscient thought level which allows us to operate on things detached from our bladder gut feels), so he just ignores the reasoning and discards the reasoning part altogether, addressing just the end result, which he believes to be our agenda with no basis but the bladder gut feeling, and claiming it as false.
Therefore, reasoning with Kaarous is impossible - you cannot reason with something which is effectively a piece of cabbage.


He's just gonna pick on this phrase saying wars work fine for him so they're fine and need no to be touched because everyone else should be kewl kid like him, HTFU, and play his game, and whoever dares to do otherwise has no place in eve (because apparently he holds the copyright to what eve should be over CCP).


We told him quite a number of times to go out and poke nullbears, but I think he perfectly realizes he'll get rekt every day if he tries, so he's cringing for mother concord to protect only him and nobody else, and royally butthurt about the fact someone can take his concord immunity from him by the great treachery of allies mechanic.
Too bad he can't comprehend "double standard" either or he'd be mentally hurt. Also too bad you can't mentally hurt someone with no mentality whatsoever.