Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You're literally saying every single miner and hauler is afk. That's literally what you're trying to say



Woop de freaking doo for you. Just because you can doesn't mean that it justifies a broken system.



Right. So nobody ever gets bumped while at their keyboard. not a single person ever just gets caught by an experienced bumper. And you call me delusional

I've never lost a ship to anyone yet in this game. except for one friendly duel. This is not a personal vendetta, I'm merely noticing that bumping is a chronic problem affecting highsec and it's impacting my experience in EVE in a pretty negative way.

I thought of this possible solution and figured i might as well share it in case it held any merit.

You on the other hand seem very invested in denying that this is a problem, most likely because you're part of the group of people who take advantage of this problem. I hear of freighters being ganked daily or even hourly. I don't think that suicide ganks should be as easy to perform as they currently are.

So now your argument is:

"Shut up. you're wrong."

Pretty sure that's against the rules in this forum

I already explained precisely why you're wrong, you just keep repeating your same nonsense about how people who aren't at their keyboards deserve to not die.

And then you revealed what was obvious to begin with, that you only really want to nerf ganking.

Oh, and it's not against the rules to disagree with terrible, selfish, one sided ideas like yours.

I have expressly said multiple times that this change would have no effect on AFK players because this is something you have to actively choose to do. It's not some automatic defense that will activate for you if you're AFK

Miners only get perma bumped if they are afk. Freighters only get perma bumped if they are afk or did not bother with an escort.

Both of those are failure to play the game correctly. Complete, utter failure.

What you want is for there to be a button that automatically gets you out of the consequences of playing the game badly. It's not happening.

I'm sorry, it's not an utter lie. From being on both ends of the stick, there's no way around being stopped by a bumper in your freighter/Orca/Bowhead right off a gate and warping. There's NOTHING you can do but click the button and wait. It doesn't matter that I keep clicking the warp button or I'm afk off grabbing a cup of coffee. In an exhumer, yeah sure double click and space and move, dodge and warp out. But once you're stuck in the bumping train, you're stuck. Any method of escape(post prevention) is severely unbalanced:

Ejecting
Self Destruct
having a friend attempt to bump the bumping ship (if a single player can do it, it shouldn't require a friend to get you out)
having friends suicide the bumping ship
logging out

And just to add that bumping for the sake of trying to set up a gank is pretty broken as well. If you want to gank the thing you're bumping. You should've been ready for it then and there, theres no risk in bumping a ship for an hour in high sec while waiting for your friends. And vise versa, it's ridiculous to think that the only way out that results in the loss of SOMEONES ship to concord, self destruct or leaving it is very unbalanced.

Guys.... Just pretend Kaarous does not exist. He is just a belligerent narcissist who gets his rocks off causing as much commotion as he can.





I will never push for more PvP in this game, especially the predatory gankbear style that feeds the toxic sociopaths this game is famous for.

I am not saying that the current situation where PvP guys get to play a game they enjoy with full support of development and you get to pay to be their 'content' with the occasional bone thrown your way to keep you interested is good, right, fair, or in any way a positive thing. I'm just saying that suggesting a mechanical change that results in a gankbear losing a kill will be met with scorn from 90% of the forum, and if your concern is ever acknowledged by the current Devs it will be handwaved away with a simplistic quip that boils down to everything is balanced so long as PVE guy explodes to PVP guy.

Rather, take your enjoyment from shaking your exhaust in the Gankbears face as you trip along through EVE doing your own thing. You cannot win against an enemy who has nothing of value to lose and who's only goal is to make sure anything you value is ruined. This is not a game with competitive PVP. The literal only way to win is to have nothing to lose.

Now that said... You aren't wrong about bumping. While it may be a somewhat clever tactic, we already have modules to do this very thing--- warp scramblers and disruptors. Bumping should not affect going into warp, though it might be fun if getting Bumped off your trajectory resulted in destination errors, which would in turn allow for tactics where you could be delayed and have a fleet waiting for you at your destination once you land and re-warp.

Bumping to prevent miners mining, or a few other uses, is one thing... but using bumping to basically keep a ship tackled more or less indefinitely is stupid and should be changed. Game Mechanics clearly define tackle as hostile action, as evidenced by scrams and disruptors, and bumping should not be allowed to completely circumvent that.

Sticking your head in the sand doesn't make the truth go away. Everyone who gets ganked deserves it, and people dying is the single most important function in the game as far as the economy is concerned.

People do stand up on a regular basis. I myself do it all the time.

However, you have to consider the core of the game is pvp. Bumping is a problem because it's indefinite. The mechanic should be worked into something that maybe delays you, but not something you are simply immune to. Honestly I think the 30 second emergency warp is an acceptable compromise.

My personal favored approach would for bumping to be factored by comparing ship mass. Most frigates should just bounce instead of spinning something the size of a freighter.

Traffic control tractor beams coming from stations and gates would be acceptable too---they keep ships separate until they are beyond a certain distance from the monitored structure, thus bumping isn't a thing at gates or stations, but could be used elsewhere.