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Decline in numbers... starting to turn into RAPID!!!

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2481 - 2015-11-05 20:39:59 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
Demand more change! Change is good if the right stuff is changed! More improvements more long term satisfaction! More depth!

Oh, is going to be an awesome 2016. So much potential for good fights and more newbie integration into largescale combat. Woo hoo for interaction!

Capital fights in highsec should be quite epic if it all plays out right.

Once Citadels are released, then I'll assume that capitals will be back in highsec as part of the whole Citadel destruction mechanics. If that's true, highsec will provide a way to move capitals over large distances without massive jump fatigue and a lot of 0.0 conflicts could be bought to highsec to catch out fleets moving between nullsec regions.

I hope that happens, but all assumption on my part.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#2482 - 2015-11-05 21:12:54 UTC
So according to CCP Quant, the game is fine because they have 14,000 players online less but the remaining ones play more.

Which means that subscriptions are secondary to people doing stuff ingame.

Which means that charging people for what they do could be an alternative to subscriptions.

Of course, they would need a massive hardware to run such a game, with no entry barrier in the form of a subscription and thus a lot more population. A whole new Tranquility with power unseen before. With optimized code to avoid that certain routine tasks associated to players tax on system performance.

So tell me guys... what you gonna do when EVE goes free to play?
C11H17NO3
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
#2483 - 2015-11-05 21:28:05 UTC
eve numbers will go way up once they introduce that dynamic sp for pvp kills system I handed them on a silver platter.

or eve will die.. (exact date of server offline unknown.)

I am ok with either.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2484 - 2015-11-05 21:32:47 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Markus Reese wrote:
Demand more change! Change is good if the right stuff is changed! More improvements more long term satisfaction! More depth!

Oh, is going to be an awesome 2016. So much potential for good fights and more newbie integration into largescale combat. Woo hoo for interaction!

Capital fights in highsec should be quite epic if it all plays out right.

Once Citadels are released, then I'll assume that capitals will be back in highsec as part of the whole Citadel destruction mechanics. If that's true, highsec will provide a way to move capitals over large distances without massive jump fatigue and a lot of 0.0 conflicts could be bought to highsec to catch out fleets moving between nullsec regions.

I hope that happens, but all assumption on my part.


Modern eve and more logi tweaks wouldnt be a bad thing. Changes to how negative sec works in highsec can lead to some nice battles as well, but am on mobile so would be a pain to flesh that out here.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2485 - 2015-11-05 21:34:06 UTC
C11H17NO3 wrote:
eve numbers will go way up once they introduce that dynamic sp for pvp kills system I handed them on a silver platter.

or eve will die.. (exact date of server offline unknown.)

I am ok with either.


Would need to see more details, but would end up a pay for SP from how it sounds. I sell plex, buy ships on alt. Farm said alt for SP.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

C11H17NO3
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
#2486 - 2015-11-05 21:46:41 UTC  |  Edited by: C11H17NO3
Markus Reese wrote:
C11H17NO3 wrote:
eve numbers will go way up once they introduce that dynamic sp for pvp kills system I handed them on a silver platter.

or eve will die.. (exact date of server offline unknown.)

I am ok with either.


Would need to see more details, but would end up a pay for SP from how it sounds. I sell plex, buy ships on alt. Farm said alt for SP.


its archived In threads I have started.

But I designed it in such a way that you need need to spend 10K+ USD to effectively farm sp, and at that rate, GO RIGHT AHEAD.
LOL. Please do.. (No system is perfectly unusable anyways)
Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
#2487 - 2015-11-05 21:59:26 UTC
C11H17NO3 wrote:
eve numbers will go way up once they introduce that dynamic sp for pvp kills system I handed them on a silver platter.

or eve will die.. (exact date of server offline unknown.)

I am ok with either.

C11H17NO3 wrote:
I designed it


Oh dear ... you're mightily full of yourself.

Is there a place where we can worship you ?

Don't anger the forum gods.

ISD Buldath:

> I Saw, I came, I Frowned, I locked, I posted, and I left.

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2488 - 2015-11-06 00:54:36 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
So according to CCP Quant, the game is fine because they have 14,000 players online less but the remaining ones play more.

Which means that subscriptions are secondary to people doing stuff ingame.

CCP Quant didn't say the game is fine, nor did he discuss subscription numbers.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#2489 - 2015-11-06 02:04:32 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/68738/1/regional.stats.png

Oh and by the way. High sec was MASSIVELY more dangerous than 0.0 according to this report.

It isn't even close, 0.0 doesn't touch the hind end of Minmatar space. But you guys out there sure do like to Mine Shocked

someone can't do math.



I can do math just fine... all the regions are listed...

Ah, my reading of that graph says it is an analysis of the top 20 regions by trade value for September.

So it isn't all regions and it's no surprise that highsec regions dominate in the graph because there's far more trade being done in those.

Concluding that highsec is massively more dangerous than 0.0 on the basis of that graph though is very shaky. Where's Cloud Ring, Insmother, Catch, Imensea, Delve, Fountain, Querious, Black Rise, wormhole space, etc?

If you want to draw the conclusion you have, you need different data. All that graph shows is that among the top trade regions, highsec has had more destruction.

No surprise either, but the graph isn't saying what you've stated because that's not possible to say from that graph.



Oh good lord please read what you are talking about before commenting.

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/68738/1/total.destroyed.value.(pvp).by.region.sept.2015.png

Your precious regions didn't even make a scratch on a one day block of Uedema.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2490 - 2015-11-06 02:11:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/68738/1/regional.stats.png

Oh and by the way. High sec was MASSIVELY more dangerous than 0.0 according to this report.

It isn't even close, 0.0 doesn't touch the hind end of Minmatar space. But you guys out there sure do like to Mine Shocked

someone can't do math.



I can do math just fine... all the regions are listed...

Ah, my reading of that graph says it is an analysis of the top 20 regions by trade value for September.

So it isn't all regions and it's no surprise that highsec regions dominate in the graph because there's far more trade being done in those.

Concluding that highsec is massively more dangerous than 0.0 on the basis of that graph though is very shaky. Where's Cloud Ring, Insmother, Catch, Imensea, Delve, Fountain, Querious, Black Rise, wormhole space, etc?

If you want to draw the conclusion you have, you need different data. All that graph shows is that among the top trade regions, highsec has had more destruction.

No surprise either, but the graph isn't saying what you've stated because that's not possible to say from that graph.



Oh good lord please read what you are talking about before commenting.

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/68738/1/total.destroyed.value.(pvp).by.region.sept.2015.png

Your precious regions didn't even make a scratch on a one day block of Uedema.

Click the first graph you linked and then reread my statement. How does that relate to the statement you made?

As to the second statement, last time I looked, Uedama is not all of highsec. It's one system and yes there's a lot of value lost there. That does not make highsec massively more dangerous than 0.0.

Would you autopilot (or even pilot) a Freighter through nullsec?

For someone who claims to be a forensic financial auditor (accountant or actuary I' ll assume), your attention to detail is poor enough that I highly doubt the truth of your earlier claim.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#2491 - 2015-11-06 02:16:29 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:

For someone who claims to be a forensic financial auditor (accountant or actuary I' ll assume), your attention to detail is poor enough that I highly doubt the truth of your earlier claim.


And a fool made of you, then resort to personal attacks.

And as a Forensic Auditor, it is my job to take data, and take lack of data and made qualified and unqualified opinion reports. Sometimes it is the data you don't have that speaks loudest to the investigation.... in this case, Quant gave us all the data we need to call 0.0 a big blue circle jerk of anom ratters.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2492 - 2015-11-06 02:23:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
And as a Forensic Auditor, it is my job to take data and made ... unqualified opinion reports...

Yes, so it seems.

No fool but you. Reread my initial post. Every sentence in it referred to the data that you linked. The data that you linked was not data that supported your claim.

Would you autopilot (or even pilot) a Freighter through nullsec?
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#2493 - 2015-11-06 02:25:41 UTC
and people still posting in this thread

starting to turn into VAPID!!!
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2494 - 2015-11-06 02:30:18 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
and people still posting in this thread

starting to turn into VAPID!!!

Turned into vapid a long time ago.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#2495 - 2015-11-06 02:32:07 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:

Click the first graph you linked and then reread my statement. How does that relate to the statement you made?

As to the second statement, last time I looked, Uedama is not all of highsec. It's one system and yes there's a lot of value lost there. That does not make highsec massively more dangerous than 0.0.

Would you autopilot (or even pilot) a Freighter through nullsec?

For someone who claims to be a forensic financial auditor (accountant or actuary I' ll assume), your attention to detail is poor enough that I highly doubt the truth of your earlier claim.


Now now, you can't expect this "forensic auditor" to actually do simple math and add up all the high sec regions, then add up all the null regions, and see which has the higher total. You also can't expect him to admit the truth. Well, I can't anyways, he's incapable of admitting error (a telling trait) or taking into account the idea that what he thinks might be wrong..

..Which is moot as according to him he won't be around much longer to do all this arguing, he'll be having too much fun playing Elite to worry about EVE. Twisted
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2496 - 2015-11-06 02:52:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Everyone can make mistakes.

There's no single statistic that can be used to measure danger (I bet in a discussion, we probably wouldn't reach any consensus in GD on what that even means) and arguments that try to reduce danger to any one metric are going to be flawed.

But when someone does that and doesn't even do it on the basis of correct data, challenging the statement shouldn't be seen as an attack and prompt to divert. From a positive perspective, it's an opportunity to address the error and qualify the statement. Unfortunately that wasn't done of course. Just a claim that I should read what I am talking about, which I already did.

This is the American Board of Forensic Accounting standards and statement of the profession:

http://certfa.org/forensic-accountant-code-of-ethics/

Offering an "unqualified opinion" (unqualified I am assuming refers to, "not explained" rather than "not trained to offer the opinion") seems a rather strange claim, since if you can't support your claim, it's useless, especially in forensics.
Stormbringer999s
OpSec.
Wrong Hole.
#2497 - 2015-11-06 03:55:59 UTC
CCP has missed so many marketing opportunities in recent times it doesn't surprise me the game is in decline. It's predominantly been reliant on word of mouth and that unfortunately only gets you so far for so long.

Put your hand up if you saw the movie Interstellar.

I did, and having a basic understanding of what the movie was going to be about, I'm sitting there watching the ads which are played prior to the movie and was wondering what a perfect opportunity it would have been for CCP to generate interest for both new subscribers and returning vets, a movie based upon the simple premise of space exploration. Agreed, EVE and Interstellar were not a perfect fit, but at the same time they didn't need to be, as long as certain similarities were present. The wormhole plot was an added bonus, but the story as a whole was the perfect opportunity to showcase EVE to an audience that was genuinely interested in the genre as a whole. Imagine the audiences reaction after viewing "This is EVE: Uncensored" : )

Pro Tip: There have been other movies that could have been piggy backed, Interstellar was just one example. So, next time there is a movie that even remotely fits the EVE genre, dig deep into the CCP wallet and get onboard with cinema advertising, you won't regret it!
Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#2498 - 2015-11-06 04:50:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Portmanteau
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/68738/1/regional.stats.png

Oh and by the way. High sec was MASSIVELY more dangerous than 0.0 according to this report.

It isn't even close, 0.0 doesn't touch the hind end of Minmatar space. But you guys out there sure do like to Mine Shocked

someone can't do math.



I can do math just fine... all the regions are listed...

Ah, my reading of that graph says it is an analysis of the top 20 regions by trade value for September.

So it isn't all regions and it's no surprise that highsec regions dominate in the graph because there's far more trade being done in those.

Concluding that highsec is massively more dangerous than 0.0 on the basis of that graph though is very shaky. Where's Cloud Ring, Insmother, Catch, Imensea, Delve, Fountain, Querious, Black Rise, wormhole space, etc?

If you want to draw the conclusion you have, you need different data. All that graph shows is that among the top trade regions, highsec has had more destruction.

No surprise either, but the graph isn't saying what you've stated because that's not possible to say from that graph.



Oh good lord please read what you are talking about before commenting.

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/68738/1/total.destroyed.value.(pvp).by.region.sept.2015.png

Your precious regions didn't even make a scratch on a one day block of Uedema.


Surely any real statement about how dangerous hisec is vs nullsec needs to consider every system of each and factor in the population. This is why crime stats are per capita not total. You have completely the wrong data to make any statement about this.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#2499 - 2015-11-06 07:49:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Scipio Artelius wrote:
CCP Quant didn't say the game is fine, nor did he discuss subscription numbers.


*cough*

CCP 'Hallellujah' Quant wrote:


(...)

Many players rely on daily Peak Concurrent Users (PCU) numbers to estimate activity in EVE Online since PCU is the only official number that is available for players to see, e.g. on Chribba's eve-offline.net, but here is a graph showing the 30 day moving average of it since Aug 2012:

(...)

While EVE PCU has been declining a bit for the past two years for various reasons, e.g. skillqueue changes, I wanted to give you a glimpse into actual activity numbers and the state of the EVE Online economy."

(...)

Here you can see that, contrary to some conclusions that can be drawn from the PCU graph, activity is not going down overall. If we normalize it by unique logons, we rather see those numbers increasing, meaning that those playing now contribute relatively more to the sandbox than the general population in the previous years, which is a great sign:

(...)


PCU is going down, but ingame activity is doing great (it's even INCREASING) and he's pretty proud of it.

Now re-read what I said. They are OK with activity over logins. So either they're in epic denial or they have plans to monetize activity over logins.

I admit that I'm being a bit provoking here, but after all, there's enough string and hay to build a strawman with what we know.

Bigger TQ server albeit the current one is running at <20% capacity. Brain in a Box when big battles are a thing of the past. The hint at permadeath in exchange for something else. Reselling SP so noobs can go from Level 1 to Level 50 or 80 by handing money to CCP.

And of course, we are wrong to think that PCU shows the game is doing bad. Truly CCP Quant. Either you ignore subscriptions or you know that subscriptions are bound to become quite less relevant in CCP's income...

After all, none of the upcoming CCP games is subscription based. Neither DUST 514.

F2P-compatible new server.
F2P-compatible new code.
F2P-compatible economy analysis.

As I asked above, what will you do when EVE goes free to play?

Also, last question, but not the least.

What is doing CCP exactly to improve subscriptions, now that all future development plans are aimed at current players and pose zero interest to non-players?

CCP. Never what they say, always what they do. And they're giving up subscriptions for something else. Will that be bankrupcy or F2P? What?
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#2500 - 2015-11-06 07:59:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ima Wreckyou
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
As I asked above, what will you do when EVE goes free to play?

I will subscribe N new alts and gank in noob ships only

I will subscribe another N alts on new accounts and infiltrate every corp I can find to steal their stuff

tl;dr I will make sure you can't have nice things