EVE General Discussion

So, was having a discussion with another player on an F&I topic.

First, let me put it into context.

The entire thread was about a proposed change to wardec mechanics.
This discussion went quite a bit off topic, some choice words were thrown around, some ranting was applied here and there, thus the thread was closed after repeated warning.
I may or may not have been a cause in that.. I'm not really sure.

The claim was made that wardecs are broken which is why NPC corps are so popular.

The claims made by the person I disagreed with were that wardecs were fine and that NPC corps were the issue, to which he proposed harsh penalties for being in NPC corps in order to "incentivize" players to join player corps.

Based on his claims (being the issue is NPC corps and not decs)

I posed a question, to which I got no answer.

The question was.

"Provide me with a game mechanic in Eve to which being in a NPC corp is better than being in a player corp, in which wardecs are not a factor."

My claim was that if he could not provide me with a game mechanic that met this criteria, then he was false in his claims of NPC corps being broken and wardecs being fine.

He also claimed that it was a trick question.
I agree that it was a trick question.
However, it was a viable question, non the less, given his claims.

So, does anyone have an answer to the question, or is it true that wardec mechanics are the only mechanic to which being in an NPC corp is a better option?



Sidenote - I'm not asking you to denounce the current wardec mechanics.
I'm simply asking whether you have an answer to the question, or if my claim (or is it true that wardec mechanics are the only mechanic to which being in an NPC corp is a better option) is correct.

If you'd like discussing potential changes to the wardec mechanic and/or disagree with any changes being made, please refer to this thread.

Well you do have to factor personal perspective into any decision.
Also, the only purpose of me bringing up the discussion on broken mechanics was to put the question into context.

So, without considering the balance of any mechanics, or personal perspective.

Are there any mechanics within Eve that are best done in an NPC corp, without wardecs being a factor as to why it's best done in an NPC corp?

I do like youre politically correct answer though.

Why would anyone bother answering this question?

If an NPC Corp doesn't have wardec immunity, no one has an issue with them anymore. It's as simple as that.

It wasn't really a trick question as much as it was you positing an argument premised on "logic" having a definition that is entirely malleable and subject to whimsy.

Argumentative Calvin-Ball, pretty much.

1. Vs. corps run by other people:
-So I don't get kicked off if I'm an inactive player
-Having to interact with undesirables
-Having to commit to things I'm not interested in

2. Vs. 1 person corps:
-None


Why would we have a game mechanic (wardec immunity) to cater to "1"?

"2" is a better solution for antisocials.

Ehh... those aren't really game mechanics though...

I realize there are personal reasons for choosing to stay in an NPC corp, but that's not the question.

For instance, If there were a mechanic to which explorers had a higher drop chance on items as a result of being in an NPC corp, then that would be a game mechanic in which being in an NPC corp is the best option.
Granted, that not an actual mechanic, but an example of what I'm asking.

Remove personal preference as a factor, remove wardecs as a factor.
So, we're not speaking about what suits the individual, and we're not talking about wardec immunity.

Is there a mechanic in which being in an NPC corp has a measurable benefit?

I'm probably beating around the bush with this....
Sorry guys, but it's like one of those things that pesters you until you figure it out.
Kinda like trying to remember the name of a movie, but googling quotes and/or the premise of the movie isn't yielding a result.

off topic, but I'm not familiar with CAS..

"Provide me with a game mechanic in Eve to which being in a NPC corp is better than being in a player corp, in which wardecs are not a factor." .... Okay .... my activity is "emergent game play, therefore "content". Ergo, when I play I don't want to be forced to be in a corporation you might be in, as then I'd be forced to play with YOU which I do not want to do.

So...what's my prize?

Your question is fundamentally flawed as corps are not a game mechanic in EvE but a way to give form to the desires of the players while supported by game mechanics.

If you desire maximum safety and security, then the NPC run corps provide this, slightly less safety for the FW NPC corps. All your risk is controlled solely by you. Your corp mates are pvprs, gankers, scammer, pirates, trolls, awoxers, corp thieves, botters, war dodgers, newbies, vets, and honest players; but none of that effects you. Your will and choices are all that matters and applies solely to you.

If you desire true adventure, then Player Corps can provide this. You are now affected by the whims and behavior of others outside your control. For this your collected will can be exercised to the fullest extent allowable.

From a net +/- perspective NPC corps are superior to Player Corps, they offer Stability, Relative Safety, and Security. However from the Player Corp perspective they are broken in that mechanically they will never truly be a part of anything built by the desires of others. While an NPC corp is by definition and organization, it has no desires, no will, and thus all interactions with it are solely with individuals.

Well.. That's more of a player related issue.