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The faction warp disruption module obviously isn't in game yet. But any nerd with EFT can fit an Onyx with a shield tank, RLMLs, BCS, and shield rigs. Don't forget to apply links.

As somebody who does solo PvP almost exclusively (and for the folks who don't believe me, check my killboard) I am in favor of these changes. This is for the simple reason that PvP options which allow one party to have minimal risk are horrible. When I undock I know I'm almost certainly dead, and I'm going to die outnumbered, webbed, scrammed, jammed, bubbled, and unable to so much as scratch the paint on my attackers. Such is life. If I wanted to fight a duel against an equal opponent I would play Starcraft. If I want a challenge from a game with a huge element of the unknown I will play Eve; its the occasions when I get it right and win against the odds, or take a target out and moonwalk off grid, that make it all worth it.

If you think as an Eve player that you should have access to ships that are untouchable to any class but their own (read: any of the current long-point kiting setups) you need to re-evaluate what game you are playing. Your play-style received a huge buff with the introduction of the rapid light missile launcher, giving kiting cruisers a viciously effective way to kill fast tackle that was un-coutnerable by the tackle pilot.

Now, with this change and missile disruptors, just a smidgen of that power is being clawed back. If "I might be forced to commit to a fight not of my choosing" makes you stop undocking then you shouldn't have been playing Eve in the first place. As for "the blob will win now", well, I would turn that question around and ask why ten guys should be able to attack a thousand well organized players with no fear of getting hit back?

Armor Plates, Miro-warp Drives, Missile Launchers. These are some and these are also ones that have already been tiericided.

But the things is in response to you earlier claim is that they are cheaper even by 10000 isk but preform better in every single stat. It causes no one to fit T1 and go right to meta because the cost difference is negligible so why not get better preforming items for less then a million isk total ship fit. If mete was more scarce it might help as it would not be the go to but more of a cost v benefit for a fitting.

Oh yes! I like that!

Such a good post.

Do not support change as it stands, reasons.

RIP interceptors, they'll have to be dual prop to tackle things with HIC support since the scram will be as long as their point range but they'll be within scram range and once scrammed, they just explode.

Better change would keep the scram, but give it a falloff into a point instead of scram after a certain range so you don't remove specialty tackle ships like inties and recons. I feel like 15km scram that falls off into a point past that is fine.

This may be the change that keeps HICs in the game.

Nano dudes hear me out:

We just saw an announcement that capitals will be getting some mobility buffs, Neuts/Nos will have effective range buffs, and that capitals could be pointed by mobs of smaller ships instead of by only a single use platform (hic).

This all spells doom for the Hic. it really only did 2 things, both with some major trade offs. Take away the game's requirement for infinipoint, and the protection from neut range the long point provided, there wouldn't be much need for Hic except for the bubble that just makes normal dictors wish they'd hurry up and hit puberty.

As the single use goes away, it's better game play to make it a more versatile ship. I'd rather CCP overshot a little, and backed off after getting data than pre-nerf like they did with Reactive Armor Hardeners (which got net-worse as you skilled them up).

So a challenger enters your clean waters, he may be able to catch 1 person in your gang but he's anchored by massive mobility de-buffs so you probably still have some options. Options you wouldn't have with a Lachesis or Proteus. I see these changes as furthering the impact of grid positioning warfare that CCP seems to be encouraging. I like it. it requires people to make decisions and for groups to balance the abilities of another tool to bring to the fight or just more reps/deeps.


Honestly I'm surprised you all seem much more upset about this than you are about neuts losing their hard range caps.

Because cost comes into balance right? And if we're going to be silly about cost then lets be silly and talk about training time...And it's not like half the mental HIC fits being talked about in here are unlinked now, is it?

I see you didn't mention over NINE HUNDRED dps either....


Heaven forfend a tackle boat has *gasp* scary tackle! !

Still it was a close run thing, brawling was almost viable there....

its ill thought out and ill conceived but i bet they will release it anyway and a couple months down the line they will say oh actually you guys were right sorry for ignoring you again, and then they will do it with something else and not learn a damn thing but hey thats CCP for you.

It's not a bubble at all.....