Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Are you seriously asking me to explain to you what 'et al' means?

This may shock you, but my goal here isn't to make you happy nor play grade-school debate team word games. Let me be clear for all the reee reee's that can't put brain in gear....

Giving ANY feature 'for free' to a social-corp bastardized version of full corporations without the associated increase in risk to wardec that comes with being in a corporation, is antithesis to what EvE is and should be. If someone wants ANY corporation feature, they should join..you know...a corporation.

Now, if you ask the supporters of these social corp abominations why they are needed and why they simply don't join a full corporation, the real answer that inevitably bubbles up when you wade past the bulls1t is that they don't want to be subject to wardecs while still getting corp-like features.

Social corporations are merely a means by which incursion runners in NPC corps or those in full corps who dislike wardecs, get to re-form in an organization that is immune from wardecs, while still enjoying corp-like features, risk free.

Everything else in the entire debate about social corporations, corp-lite, whatever you call it -- is merely smoke and mirrors to keep the reee reee's from realizing what the real intent of them is.

They musn't get a single feature, not a SINGLE ONE, without acceptance of risk to wardec. The line must be drawn here.

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Being that the new citadels won't be tied to moons, there will no longer be a need to remove them. They come with space magic so you won't get loot. There will be zero reason to remove a citadel from space beyond the cost of their construction and the emotional sting of blowing up someones stuff. HS moons will have a value of zero once citaldels arrive. What would be the reason to spend any time taking down a lootless citadel in HS? That's a lot of effort for a kb trophy.

I like the WHQ idea more than adding CONCORD sites. The agressor having a meaningful attackable asset in space is just brilliant. You talk about too much safety for the structures and the need for the agressor to have a chance to kill them, which is fine, but I'd also like to see an agressor structure out there that has real war related value attached to it also, because at current - agressors currently risk nothing. I think putting risk out there for both sides is good for the game.

POCO will be the only reason to have war decs going forward.

Because many of us feel NPC corps shouldnt exist at all, or at a minimum players should be ejected out of them after 30 days never to return and put in regular corporations, and the existing compromise to allowing someone to stay in an NPC corp forever and forever be safe from wardec today is that if they do want any corporation feature they must then actually join...

wait for it...

A CORPORATION.

The simple fact above highlights how carebears use the slippery-slope to inject nerfs over time. It's not good enough that they ALREADY HAVE the NPC corporation mechanic to be 100% safe from wardecs noooooo.... Now you say its corp feature 'a'...then next year its feature 'b'...then 'c'...and before you know it people are leaving full corporations to re-form in corporation-lite wardec-dodging units to have their cake and eat it too.

The line must be drawn, here.

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Translation: I am in a corporation, ergo everyone else should be.

Alternate Translation: I am subject to wars, ergo everyone else should be.

Third Translation: People should be forced to cooperate with people they hate, because reasons.

Translation: You are an idiot.

I personally just wish Feyd would stop posting entirely. Even if his ideas were good, which they generally aren't, every single god damned post has a link to his horrible image macro infested, badly written blog.

They are mostly used for scouting alts. If you put a scouting alt in a player corp it could be dec'd and rendered useless. Empire mercs don't do a lot of hauling. They kill stuff on the Jita undock, so the market is relatively close.

I never made this about being fair and a high sec mercenary corp/greifer corp in my mind will always have the advantage at pvp. I am ok with that. Here is the thing, if the only thing that is risked is undock ships. Then no one undocks. If a griefer corp sees an actual threat to their ships they dock up. This system is design to penalize those who stay docked. If all that is risked is someone ships, then no one undocks, if no undocks then there is no content, and if there is no content eve dies a little. Now I suppose if we want to be fair we could make the station aggressable by the orginal wardeccer until its gets enough health that its get is second reinforce.

Salty!

I think you're just butthurt because I propose to get rid of wardecs entirely (for a big price), and propose to upset your personal apple cart.

Or perhaps it's something simpler...you see in me everything you are afraid to be, the man who could put down wardecs and clubbing baby seals over the back of the head in hisec, and left it to get in the real game?

Ooooo..burn.

Fuccboi.

EDIT: Added a link, just for you bb

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