EVE General Discussion

increasing taxes for long-term npc corp members

i dont really go to highsec much, nullsec, wh and lowsec is where this game shines

The rewards are there but not enough for most to justify the move to null sec. WHs are much more appealing than SOV Null sec. Players are literally making billions a week. Players have greater control over their income in WH than null sec. Null sec the Alliance controls the most lucrative resource, moon goo. Null has more cons than pros.

Some people play in high sec because that's where their 'targets' are, and others play there for other reasons. I played in high sec because it offers the hands-down best "risk to isk" ration in the game (as you can see here and here). It's really insane, a single pilot in a Mach doing level 3s in high sec protected by CONCORD can make almost as much (only 4 mil isk per hour less) than the SAME hull with a single pilot in null sec where there is no automated npc protective response. And what happens in the 2nd link with burner mission blitzing isn't even physically possible in sov null (it is in npc null, just unlikely). And don't even get me started on High sec Incursions.

The only way I was able to move my primary isk making operation out of high sec was when CCP accidentally fixed null by upping the "anom to expedition" escalation chances (which lets people like me farm 7 and 8/10 DEDs and match what we could get farming high sec incursions (but STILL not even close to what you can do blitzing burners). But still the imbalances caused by high sec mechanics are glaring, and often dismissed by irrational high sec partisans because of all the Goons flying AFK ships on alts all day long (generating a lot of semi passive isk that makes null sec look like what it's generally not; a super lucrative place to play).

This game is long overdue for a rewards re-balance, but it isn't going to happen because CCP isn't really aware of the imbalances, as seen by how they are about to add a Tribute system to the game which is a really dumb mistake. Not only will that system reward people for staying in high sec and facing little to no risk, it's going to reward those aforementioned afk goons for AFKtaring the game economy to crap (Pith loot is so cheap it might as well be dirt lol). CCP does many things well, but rewards balancing is not one of them.

PvP in Eve really gets your adrenaline going.

The simple fact is most people on planet Earth do not like the sensations associated with adrenaline. It's genetic (I checked with a doctor), and no amount of game tweaking will change their genes.

carebear

High sec has already been left to die a slow and agonizing death. And numbers are dwindling. What makes you think that making high sec even worse will have the opposite effect?

you might not know, but all the people in highsec are nullsec players as well

Take some guy to the top of the Eiffle Tower.

Tell him to jump and when he says no you hit him with a bat. Tell him again and when he says no, hit him with a lead pipe. When he still says no, you pull out a gun and kill him.

In the end, you didn't get him to jump, did you?

So if you can't force people to do stuff they really don't want to in real life, what makes you think they won't simply quit when you try to do it in a game.

Trying to force people into low/null that don't want to be in low/null will accomplish nothing but adding to the subscriber base of other MMOs. No matter how many times you beat a kitten, it's not going to turn into a wolf.

Mr Epeen

You can if you change the way risk is calculated, and instead of centered on ships (which are the very fuel we use for content) it is focused on other things, perhaps structures and what they contain...

No doubt entrenched existing bears will balk at bold changes needed to fix things, but the next influx of newbros who see a BR-5 or 'This is EvE' video must be handed readily-replaceable ships in a thunderdome reality that matches marketing on day one. Not months or years in, on day one.

This is one way.

F

It's really not about increasing rewards in lower sec space to entice people out of hi-sec. If they could make billions a week outside hisec but still have to risk getting blown up, they will not risk it. To get people to go play in low/null you have to make them feel as safe as they are in hisec (I realize that goes against the philosophy of the game but risk-adverse people reject this). One way of accomplishing that is to get the hisec players to join up with low/null sec corps so they can join the purplefleet/bluedonut and get the safety of belonging with a low/null group. And you'll still have occasional roams that can threaten to blow them up. Hiseccers will likely be opposed to joining up with other groups, and the lower-sec groups will be loathe to onboard filthy casual carebears to coddle and protect. You just can't fight against human nature. If CCPs going to keep the sandbox open, it has to accept that risk adverse players will always opt for the safer route.