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The Quarry - Mercoxit Mining Frigate

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Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#1 - 2015-11-05 12:24:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Felsusguy
The Quarry is an Expedition Frigate specialized in mining mercoxit. Unlike its brothers, the Prospect and the Endurance, it receives no bonus to cloaking. Instead, it gains immunity to non-targeted interdiction, allowing it to dodge the gate camps of null-security space but putting a limit to its usefulness in other areas of space. It also lacks the Expedition Frigate skill bonus to general mining yield of the Prospect, instead opting for a larger boost to mercoxit mining yield.

With this bonus, the Quarry becomes slightly more effective at mining mercoxit than a Procurer or Retriever, but less so than any exhumer. Additionally, its ore hold is smaller than even the Venture. At 4,000m3 it is able to hold 100 units of mercoxit, or just over 3.5 million worth of ore at current Jita prices; somewhat less than a full load of arkonor in a Prospect (10,000m3).

Quarry
High Slots - 3 (2 turret hardpoints)
Medium Slots - 4
Low Slots - 3

Expedition Frigate skill bonus (per level):
7.5% bonus to mercoxit mining yield
5% bonus to ship agility

Mining Frigate skill bonus (per level):
5% bonus to mining yield
5% increase in warp speed

Role Bonus:
100% bonus to mining yield
Immune to non-targeted interdiction

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.

Valkin Mordirc
#2 - 2015-11-05 12:40:55 UTC
I am ignorant to industry and mining.


But what point is there to have a frig designed to mine that certain unrefined ore?
#DeleteTheWeak
Nyalnara
Marauder Initiative
#3 - 2015-11-05 12:52:49 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
But what point is there to have a frig designed to mine that certain unrefined ore?


Well the same point there is fpr an ice-mining frigate. Giving "low" SP and low efficiency alternatives, to give a coherent game progression to new players wanting to look at null-sec mining. Because, let's be realist, until JF get nerfed again, it's more interesting to mine high-end ores, export them to Jita, buy low-end ores and import them tou the NullSec you live in.

French half-noob.

Non, je ne suis pas gentil.

Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#4 - 2015-11-05 12:54:02 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
I am ignorant to industry and mining.


But what point is there to have a frig designed to mine that certain unrefined ore?

Mercoxit is a special ore, not like the others. It contains none of the typical asteroid minerals and instead contains morphite, which is used in the production all Tech 2 items. In the past, the Skiff was the dedicated mercoxit miner, in the same way the Mackinaw was the dedicated ice miner. With the mining barge changes, now there are none. With the ice mining Endurance coming out, I thought mercoxit could use the same treatment.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.

Lugh Crow-Slave
#5 - 2015-11-05 13:13:01 UTC
the prospect already fills this role just fine same with dodging gate camps this ship is redundant
Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#6 - 2015-11-05 13:18:21 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
the prospect already fills this role just fine same with dodging gate camps this ship is redundant

So I guess an interceptor is the same as a covops, and there's no reason to add the Endurance when the new ice mining lasers can fit on a Prospect. For that matter, why do we even have two assault frigates per race?

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.

Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#7 - 2015-11-05 16:58:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ellendras Silver
Felsusguy wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
the prospect already fills this role just fine same with dodging gate camps this ship is redundant

So I guess an interceptor is the same as a covops, and there's no reason to add the Endurance when the new ice mining lasers can fit on a Prospect. For that matter, why do we even have two assault frigates per race?



you cant compare apples with oranges and besides you got 2 mining frigites and soon a third will be added, they can do every mining job good enough.

edit:
also there isn't a mining barge nor exhumer that is specialized in mercoxit mining as far as i am aware give me a good reason why the mining frigites must be an exception?

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]

Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#8 - 2015-11-05 17:04:10 UTC
Eve doesn't need another bubble immune frigate until after Eve gets an additional bubble that can catch interdiction nullified and bubble immune ships. Heck make it catch ONLY ships that have bubble immunity. Prevent it from overlapping conventional bubbles.

There needs to be a counter to bubble immunity before you add more bubble immune ships.
Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#9 - 2015-11-05 17:14:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Felsusguy
Ellendras Silver wrote:
you cant compare apples with oranges and besides you got 2 mining frigites and soon a third will be added, they can do every mining job good enough.

The Venture is T1, expendable and with low performance. Cheap crap.
The Prospect is covert ops with bonuses to gas harvesting, but with a horrible layout. Expensive crap.
The Endurance is entirely specialized for ice mining. Possible crap.

What I'm suggesting is a different beast entirely.

Ellendras Silver wrote:
also there isn't a mining barge nor exhumer that is specialized in mercoxit mining as far as i am aware

There was. It was called the Skiff.

Serendipity Lost wrote:
Eve doesn't need another bubble immune frigate until after Eve gets an additional bubble that can catch interdiction nullified and bubble immune ships. Heck make it catch ONLY ships that have bubble immunity. Prevent it from overlapping conventional bubbles.

There needs to be a counter to bubble immunity before you add more bubble immune ships.

Are you afraid that a mining frigate is going to upset the PvP balance of the game?

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.

Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#10 - 2015-11-05 17:30:48 UTC
Felsusguy wrote:
Ellendras Silver wrote:
you cant compare apples with oranges and besides you got 2 mining frigites and soon a third will be added, they can do every mining job good enough.

The Venture is T1, expendable and with low performance. Cheap crap.
The Prospect is covert ops with bonuses to gas harvesting, but with a horrible layout. Expensive crap.
The Endurance is entirely specialized for ice mining. Possible crap.

What I'm suggesting is a different beast entirely.

Ellendras Silver wrote:
also there isn't a mining barge nor exhumer that is specialized in mercoxit mining as far as i am aware

There was. It was called the Skiff.

Serendipity Lost wrote:
Eve doesn't need another bubble immune frigate until after Eve gets an additional bubble that can catch interdiction nullified and bubble immune ships. Heck make it catch ONLY ships that have bubble immunity. Prevent it from overlapping conventional bubbles.

There needs to be a counter to bubble immunity before you add more bubble immune ships.

Are you afraid that a mining frigate is going to upset the PvP balance of the game?


No, I'm afraid I can't agree to yet another risk reduced element being addeed to the game. Ask for a specialized mining ship w/ a specialized mining bonus then I would weigh out its merits. Ask for a specialized mining ship w/ bubble immunity and I say NO.

Here's the deal. If you live in sov null and want to mine then you should be able to protect what you're doing. It's a SOV thing. If you're in NPC null then you shouldn't be trying to ice mine - It's just a bad idea (except if you're bait mining). Adding a ship that is abuseable via multiple means just so you can ice mine in NPC null or (worse yet) because you can't keep baddies from dropping bubbles in your SOV space shouldn't really be on the table for discussion.

There isn't mercoxit in LS so not an issue there. In wh space no one wants ships w/ bubble immunity.

Instead of implying I'm afraid of a new mining frigate, look inward, what are you afraid of that drives you to bring this to the forums?
Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#11 - 2015-11-05 17:42:02 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
No, I'm afraid I can't agree to yet another risk reduced element being addeed to the game. Ask for a specialized mining ship w/ a specialized mining bonus then I would weigh out its merits. Ask for a specialized mining ship w/ bubble immunity and I say NO.

Here's the deal. If you live in sov null and want to mine then you should be able to protect what you're doing. It's a SOV thing. If you're in NPC null then you shouldn't be trying to ice mine - It's just a bad idea (except if you're bait mining). Adding a ship that is abuseable via multiple means just so you can ice mine in NPC null or (worse yet) because you can't keep baddies from dropping bubbles in your SOV space shouldn't really be on the table for discussion.

There isn't mercoxit in LS so not an issue there. In wh space no one wants ships w/ bubble immunity.

Instead of implying I'm afraid of a new mining frigate, look inward, what are you afraid of that drives you to bring this to the forums?

The intent is that the ship be used to ninja mine mercoxit in null-sec.

Without a covert ops cloak, one could say it's even inferior to the Prospect outside of null-sec. And I have doubts that a covert ops is going to get caught by just a few bubbles, mining frigate or not. What you see as risk reduction isn't really there. It gives up that bit of safety provided by a covert ops cloak, and is easier to catch manually than an interceptor.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.

Bla5to Frigate
NE Demolition Services
#12 - 2015-11-05 23:40:17 UTC
Felsusguy wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
the prospect already fills this role just fine same with dodging gate camps this ship is redundant

So I guess an interceptor is the same as a covops, and there's no reason to add the Endurance when the new ice mining lasers can fit on a Prospect. For that matter, why do we even have two assault frigates per race?



For the same reason that each car manufacture have more than one of each class of car......
sheesh.... its a game people. Embrace the diversity rather than complain about it. Either find a way to use it (as intended or not) or quite complaining about it. Nuff said.

Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#13 - 2015-11-06 02:36:25 UTC
Bla5to Frigate wrote:
Felsusguy wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
the prospect already fills this role just fine same with dodging gate camps this ship is redundant

So I guess an interceptor is the same as a covops, and there's no reason to add the Endurance when the new ice mining lasers can fit on a Prospect. For that matter, why do we even have two assault frigates per race?



For the same reason that each car manufacture have more than one of each class of car......
sheesh.... its a game people. Embrace the diversity rather than complain about it. Either find a way to use it (as intended or not) or quite complaining about it. Nuff said.


You do understand I was speaking rhetorically, right?

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.

Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-11-06 02:46:45 UTC
I don't feel this is different enough to warrant making a third ORE Expedition Frigate. You can fit Deep Core Mining Lasers to a Venture or Prospect. Yes, the Prospect does not have bubble immunity, but it does have covert-ops capability which offers its own set of defensive advantages.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#15 - 2015-11-06 05:34:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugh Crow-Slave
Felsusguy wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
the prospect already fills this role just fine same with dodging gate camps this ship is redundant

So I guess an interceptor is the same as a covops, and there's no reason to add the Endurance when the new ice mining lasers can fit on a Prospect. For that matter, why do we even have two assault frigates per race?



how am i comparing an inti to a covert ops?


also you seem to think merx is something other than ore when it is not its just ore the yield bonus of the prospect covers it

your idea is in just about every way redundant


there is already an ore mining frigate that can avoid gate camps in fact the prospect can avoid gate camps much better than your idea


EDIT:

also you seem to use the fact that there used to be a ship the specialized in merx mining as justification for why a new one needs to be added. you ever think there may be a reason why you need to talk about the skiffs bonus in the past tens
Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#16 - 2015-11-06 10:59:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Felsusguy
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
also you seem to think merx is something other than ore when it is not its just ore the yield bonus of the prospect covers it

It's a special kind of ore. Not like the rest.

But I'm sure you already knew that.

Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
there is already an ore mining frigate that can avoid gate camps in fact the prospect can avoid gate camps much better than your idea

Is that a mark against my idea? That it's less powerful in one respect than what already is? Shame on me, then, for not suggesting something completely overpowered. I'll have to chastise myself thoroughly.

In case you couldn't tell, the point of the ship is that it IS different. It's not just a Prospect for mining mercoxit.

Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
also you seem to use the fact that there used to be a ship the specialized in merx mining as justification for why a new one needs to be added. you ever think there may be a reason why you need to talk about the skiffs bonus in the past tens

And you seem to assume a lot of things.

The reason the Skiff had its role changed is so that it would perform similarly to its T1 hull, the Procurer. The Mackinaw was changed in the same way. In spite of, or maybe even because of, the fact they removed the Mackinaw's ice mining role, they are adding an ice mining frigate. That right there should be enough to rationalize the addition of a mercoxit mining frigate, if they are willing to create a new ship to fulfill a capability that they are already giving to another.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.

flesh tearer
Horde Armada
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2015-11-06 11:17:55 UTC  |  Edited by: flesh tearer
Shocked having another mining frig is just too much atm. maybe later down the line when ccp fix caps get the Citadels released Big smile