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Sansha hunt. 18.10.YC117

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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#61 - 2015-11-02 23:59:32 UTC
Never mind half the similarities between our fights, the caldari struggle is SOO worse they lost their homeworld after all! Never mind the thousands of years of subjugation and forced brainwashing into some sadistic religion, the fight for some of them to gain freedom, and rebuilding their culture.... Oh wait...
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#62 - 2015-11-03 16:20:02 UTC
Speaking something was wrong with my response and then posting something like that?..

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#63 - 2015-11-03 22:22:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
Sarcasm's a great thing isn't it? Where you can get off saying that the struggles your people went through verses our own I have no clue. Speaking for myself and with my views not necessarily shared by others, whatever successes your people have gotten are great. I'm happy to see your progress. Its also not my fight, neither side of it. Wish to downplay our triumphs? Whatever...... What you have accomplished verses what we have accomplished is laughable. Notice how few of us point that fact out? Notice that few of us comment or throw snide remarks such as "Well, the Caldari people would be better under the federation's rule" or anything to that effect? You of all people should understand the desire to attack those who wronged you in the past. Unless that's not the reason "why the federation must be destroyed," (I'm assuming the answer is going to be some drawn out reasoning that could be summed up as such) instead of thinking of us simply wanting to steal people or whatever the whole "chaos fighter" thing is implying.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#64 - 2015-11-03 22:38:42 UTC
And that's again minmatar talking in you.
No, unlike you, we don't fight the Federation because it wronged us 200 years ago.
We didn't just decided that "they are bad, lets go and attack them". No. First was Noir. Then - Gallente racism on Caldari prime.
We are fighting it because it wrongs us NOW. And for this the Federation must be destroyed.

If you still can't understand it, imagine a half of a palnet in Empire of Naupliuses. And now imagine that the Empire will punish Imperial minmatars who will start protesting against Naupliuses.

And that "slavery" business... they have Amarr slaves too, and other nations. It is damn their OWN internal cultural policy, NOT targeted at minmatar.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#65 - 2015-11-03 23:17:15 UTC
I can understand where your coming from, but imagine this if you will. Imagine the Naapni people on caldari prime, no federation, just you. Instead of an inhospitable ball of ice it allowed your people the ability to prosper much greater than you did. One day a natural disaster occured and in its wake Gallante dropships land in the wreckage that was once a residential area. They gather your people and put them on a ship, as "sub humans" or whatever. Now fast forward many many years, your culture is destroyed, homeworld no longer yours, subjugated by the Gallante and forced to take up their "freedom." Through their own arrogance the Gallante face a massive defeat and you get to finally live as you were before, but how? You never knew what that was. So over many years your people construct out of the ashes of your home, it renewed. You don't see any reason to fight over that? They still force their ways on your people, true caldari people being force fed "Gallante freedom," you don't see any reason to fight?

Well, it isn't your fight, its ours. If you can't see any reason to fight for home, fight for your people, your a hypocrite (you do say they're reasons for your fighting right?). And if you don't think the fight continues look at the uproar last year when they took the warzone. It's less people than in the past, but the fight is still there...
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#66 - 2015-11-03 23:21:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyrel Toov
Diana Kim wrote:


And that "slavery" business... they have Amarr slaves too, and other nations. It is damn their OWN internal cultural policy, NOT targeted at minmatar.

Then explain to me why I have dog tags I took from the Imperial raiding party my unit killed on my home planet, in a sovereign Republic system, setting on my dresser at home? You know absolutely nothing about our fight. Take your ignorance and **** off.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#67 - 2015-11-04 00:02:32 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:


And that "slavery" business... they have Amarr slaves too, and other nations. It is damn their OWN internal cultural policy, NOT targeted at minmatar.

Then explain to me why I have dog tags I took from the Imperial raiding party my unit killed on my home planet, in a sovereign Republic system, setting on my dresser at home? You know absolutely nothing about our fight. Take your ignorance and **** off.

Official Amarr position, as it was stated by a MIO representative clearly has stated that the Empire is: "only targeting criminals and POWs."

Now tell me, whose position is more merited, official MIO representative, who is the actual citizen of the Empire, knows their laws and live there, or some loud and clueless minmatar, lying again on IGS?

That much for ignorance, bigot.

For reference: MIO representative name is Babenir Takaso, working at MIO station in Shuria solar system.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#68 - 2015-11-04 00:07:50 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:


And that "slavery" business... they have Amarr slaves too, and other nations. It is damn their OWN internal cultural policy, NOT targeted at minmatar.

Then explain to me why I have dog tags I took from the Imperial raiding party my unit killed on my home planet, in a sovereign Republic system, setting on my dresser at home? You know absolutely nothing about our fight. Take your ignorance and **** off.

Official Amarr position, as it was stated by a MIO representative clearly has stated that the Empire is: "only targeting criminals and POWs."

Now tell me, whose position is more merited, official MIO representative, who is the actual citizen of the Empire, knows their laws and live there, or some loud and clueless minmatar, lying again on IGS?

That much for ignorance, bigot.

For reference: MIO representative name is Babenir Takaso, working at MIO station in Shuria solar system.

Oh, yes, politicians are so honest. They'll always admit wrong doing. No politician has ever lied to cover his empi-..... Know what? **** it, I'm out.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#69 - 2015-11-04 00:11:27 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
I can understand where your coming from, but imagine this if you will. Imagine the Naapni people on caldari prime, no federation, just you. Instead of an inhospitable ball of ice it allowed your people the ability to prosper much greater than you did. One day a natural disaster occured and in its wake Gallante dropships land in the wreckage that was once a residential area. They gather your people and put them on a ship, as "sub humans" or whatever. Now fast forward many many years, your culture is destroyed, homeworld no longer yours, subjugated by the Gallante and forced to take up their "freedom." Through their own arrogance the Gallante face a massive defeat and you get to finally live as you were before, but how? You never knew what that was. So over many years your people construct out of the ashes of your home, it renewed. You don't see any reason to fight over that? They still force their ways on your people, true caldari people being force fed "Gallante freedom," you don't see any reason to fight?

Well, it isn't your fight, its ours. If you can't see any reason to fight for home, fight for your people, your a hypocrite (you do say they're reasons for your fighting right?). And if you don't think the fight continues look at the uproar last year when they took the warzone. It's less people than in the past, but the fight is still there...

Damn Minmatar. You WON your rebellion. You GOT your homeworld back. Then you signed peace with Amarr empire like we did sign peace with Federals and we all were living in PEACE, until you wrecked your crap into Empire in blind illogical racist rage.

Just as that Alexander Noir, who rammed Malkalen station, your Elder fleet invaded Empire and died, killing many Minmatars and Amarr alike. How can't you understand?! Those, who were enslaving you and those, who were enslaved are LONG DEAD.

Just like those who bombed our homeworld and driven us away.

THEY.
ARE.
DEAD.

We are fighting not the Federation, that bombed our homeworld. We are fighting not that Federation that tried to subjugate us into their democracy and culture. We are fighting against Federation that committed terror act against the State, that committed racial crimes on Caldari Prime, that couldn't trade us homeworld, that tortures our POWs and slaughters colonists because of their nationality.

Just as you... you don't actually fight the Empire that "enslaved your people", because that Empire, those who were living there, are long dead. You are fighting Empire that was just living as they wanted to live. And YOU didn't like it.

You are just as disgusting as gallenteans, who attack others because you don't like how they live.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#70 - 2015-11-04 00:13:34 UTC
Oh, and yes. Of course we don't forget what Gallentes did 200 years ago. And you won't forget what Amarr did to you.

Yes, we hate them because of that.
BUT UNLIKE YOU WE DON'T KILL THEM FOR THAT.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#71 - 2015-11-04 00:33:38 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Damn Minmatar. You WON your rebellion. You GOT your homeworld back. Then you signed peace with Amarr empire like we did sign peace with Federals and we all were living in PEACE, until you wrecked your crap into Empire in blind illogical racist rage.

Just as that Alexander Noir, who rammed Malkalen station, your Elder fleet invaded Empire and died, killing many Minmatars and Amarr alike. How can't you understand?! Those, who were enslaving you and those, who were enslaved are LONG DEAD.

Just like those who bombed our homeworld and driven us away.

THEY.
ARE.
DEAD.

We are fighting not the Federation, that bombed our homeworld. We are fighting not that Federation that tried to subjugate us into their democracy and culture. We are fighting against Federation that committed terror act against the State, that committed racial crimes on Caldari Prime, that couldn't trade us homeworld, that tortures our POWs and slaughters colonists because of their nationality.

Just as you... you don't actually fight the Empire that "enslaved your people", because that Empire, those who were living there, are long dead. You are fighting Empire that was just living as they wanted to live. And YOU didn't like it.

You are just as disgusting as gallenteans, who attack others because you don't like how they live.

They are dead, your absolutely right. There are many Amarr who could care less about my people and just want to live their own life. And that's why I don't attack them. That's why there are plenty of Amarr and Khanid who I actually don't mind and even wish to learn about their culture to some extent. There are also, like the black eagles with you, ones who aren't peaceful. Ones who wish to crush all my people have worked towards. Them? I won't mention what happens to them. You act like they don't still threaten us. Sorry, please let me correct myself, some parts who threaten us. It's not dropships we fear, no. It's culture.... Their culture threatens us, as it does you and Gallante alike. What do you think will happen to the state when you've outlived your usefulness as an ally? I won't allow myself to become what they were, I WILL NOT lay down a blanket statement as you seemingly have with the Gallante. That doesn't change the fact the fight is real. The danger for my people and the rest of the cluster is still present. It's just pockets, as it is with any of the empires.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#72 - 2015-11-04 00:34:39 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Oh, and yes. Of course we don't forget what Gallentes did 200 years ago. And you won't forget what Amarr did to you.

Yes, we hate them because of that.
BUT UNLIKE YOU WE DON'T KILL THEM FOR THAT.

The best defense is a good offense...
Darian en Chasteaux
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2015-11-05 00:26:05 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:

Kimmy has mastered the craft of trolling these fourms..... she could post a blank reply and get a bite...


Not to derail, but I didnt think many of our Minmatar folk had humour in them...maybe this isnt humour, but I certainly found it humourous. (I align with Minmatar, more or less).

Darian
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#74 - 2015-11-05 00:38:48 UTC
Darian en Chasteaux wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:

Kimmy has mastered the craft of trolling these fourms..... she could post a blank reply and get a bite...


Not to derail, but I didnt think many of our Minmatar folk had humour in them...maybe this isnt humour, but I certainly found it humourous. (I align with Minmatar, more or less).

Darian

You do know that I'm not Minmatar, right?

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#75 - 2015-11-05 00:50:43 UTC
Are you really that surprised some of us have a sense of humor?
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#76 - 2015-11-05 00:51:59 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Are you really that surprised some of us have a sense of humor?

Maybe he met Tyrel.....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#77 - 2015-11-05 00:53:00 UTC
Ya, that makes sense.
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#78 - 2015-11-05 00:55:56 UTC
Do you think we would have ever survived unbroken without one?

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#79 - 2015-11-05 01:04:37 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Oh, and yes. Of course we don't forget what Gallentes did 200 years ago. And you won't forget what Amarr did to you.

Yes, we hate them because of that.
BUT UNLIKE YOU WE DON'T KILL THEM FOR THAT.


The Republic won't forget what the Empire did to them 200 years ago. But neither will the Republic ignore what is still going on today. When every Matari is given a fair option to either leave the Empire or receive Empire citizenship, and the Empire exercises a hand of restraint upon raiding slaver operations based in Amarr space, then the war will end. Oh yeah, and an actual apology would be pretty ******* nice, too. People will still hate the Amarr, but that can't be helped. People will still demand the end of slavery, myself among them, but the Republic's fight will be over.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#80 - 2015-11-05 01:22:19 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Damn Minmatar. You WON your rebellion. You GOT your homeworld back. Then you signed peace with Amarr empire like we did sign peace with Federals and we all were living in PEACE, until you wrecked your crap into Empire in blind illogical racist rage.


Mekhios... was profoundly dumb. Ill conceived, ill funded, ill executed, with the result that CONCORD was crippled and the cluster was set alight again. No, the Republic neither supported nor commanded it--which means that the fact that you use "you" to both refer to those who signed peace and those who launched the attack is implying something false--but Matari all throughout New Eden were enraptured as it happened. I was too. In the State my whole life, raised on tales of how my clan founders escaped the Empire and the pain they suffered there, you can see why the Elder Fleet tearing through Amarr, leaving broken chains and freedom in its path, felt like the sky had finally heard a great wrong and opened up in mercy.

In hindsight, nothing could have been a worse action than that. But to be clear, the Republic did not order the invasion. The Minmatar people did not order the invasion. It was done on our 'behalf', and look where we are now.

Diana Kim wrote:
Just as you... you don't actually fight the Empire that "enslaved your people", because that Empire, those who were living there, are long dead. You are fighting Empire that was just living as they wanted to live. And YOU didn't like it.

You are just as disgusting as gallenteans, who attack others because you don't like how they live.


Everything above said, of course we don't like how you live when your the way you live involves my brother's life bound to your will. The Elder invasion would have ended that if not for Jamyl. Doesn't mean it was stupid beyond words, though.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka