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How my wallet ended up in the negative millions : A cautionary tale

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Thierry Orlenard
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-11-04 13:07:49 UTC
Terrance Amatin wrote:
Malcanis wrote:



Don't click through warnings until you're sure you know what they say.



Is there a way to read that warning now in hindsight?.


When I was noob, I looted some tiny amount of drugs from a level 1 mission site or some such, and got the warning as I jumped through a gate. It flashed by fast, but I got the gist of what it said. I docked in the next station and tried to get rid of them by selling them on the local market but I got no takers. In fact, I'm pretty sure they're still there in that station.
Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#22 - 2015-11-04 13:56:00 UTC
Terrance Amatin wrote:
It started out with me checking out Eve-central for potential goods to trade between stations.
I eventually noticed that "Standard Sooth Sayer Booster" was sold for 900 k in Derelik
and bought for upwards of 2 million in The Citadel and The Forge.
...
What would be the best place for me to send feedback to CCP regarding this?


I got bit by this as a young newbie as well, however, I was not to negatives, just lost like 1/6th my entire isk stack with the purchase, and then let them confiscate them. Granted, that was a long time ago, 10 years.

I guess the purchasing of drugs needs a warning? Which might be hard to implement.

Glad someone helped you out.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#23 - 2015-11-04 14:21:25 UTC
+1 OP, both for giving me a laugh and for taking it well.
Noblecho4
Z5-x02E07F Kultures
Xagenic Freymvork
#24 - 2015-11-04 15:39:09 UTC
Terrance Amatin wrote:
A lot of people say this is my own fault, and yes, i totally agree, I didn't make this thread to say otherwise.


In all fairness no game should require a PHD just to start learning, the mechanics are so obscure that no wonder why we have such a **** retention rate.

I *almost* did the same when I started playing, I was lucky to decide to do some read about illegal substances as soon as I saw the popup while undocking.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#25 - 2015-11-04 16:16:13 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
+1 OP, both for giving me a laugh and for taking it well.

I totally agree. Good post OP. Lol

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Doddy
Excidium.
#26 - 2015-11-04 16:33:24 UTC
Terrance Amatin wrote:
It started out with me checking out Eve-central for potential goods to trade between stations.
I eventually noticed that "Standard Sooth Sayer Booster" was sold for 900 k in Derelik
and bought for upwards of 2 million in The Citadel and The Forge.

I make my way to Hothomouh VII - Moon 2 - Ammatar Fleet Assembly Plant in my unfitted Velator.
As i arrive i see that there are still about 80 Standard Sooth Sayer Booster for sale, i buy 43, leaving me with about 10 Million in my wallet.

As i undock, i get a message telling me I'm carrying contraband.
Oh well, I've already sunk most of my money into the cargo, what is the worst thing that could happen? i think to myself.

I continue to undock and as i jump through the first star gate, CONCORD sends me a message prompt to let them confiscate my cargo.

I see that I'm already jumping at this point, so i just hit "NO"
I repeat this process 7 times, at which point i notice my wallet flashing.

I open it up and see that I've been fined 6 Million each time I've jumped to another system, and now my balance is at -30 million isk.

screenshot

At this point, my ship has stopped in front of a star gate and CONCORD prompts me to hand over my cargo once again.
I hit no, and this time i cant get through the star gate, and they proceed to blow up my ship.

That was the end of my little story.

Even if i had gotten to Jita to sell my goods, I now realize that the 6 Million isk fine for each jump would have accumulated to more that which i payed for the goods, as well as any profit.

I will probably manage to get out of this hole, but it seems like a pretty bad thing, if it were to happen to a new player.
all it took was me buying something for 900K isk.

What would be the best place for me to send feedback to CCP regarding this?

Edit: Kind folks have already set me up with a loan, I'm fine now.
But i still think it would be horrible if this happened to new players.


You are given a warning about contraband when you pick it up, you are give a warning about contraband in the item description, you are given a warning about contraband in the faction description of whoevers space you are in, simple common sense tells you smuggling contraband has consequences, concord even give you a chance to cut your losse sand ditch the cargo, exactly what are you complaining about? 99% of new players would understand these warnings and leave well alone (there was a mission explaining contraband in the NPE last time i did it, no idea if it is still there), or at least if interested in smuggling find out how to avoid detection before committing the crime.
Doddy
Excidium.
#27 - 2015-11-04 16:36:11 UTC
Terrance Amatin wrote:
Lord LazyGhost wrote:
moral of the story if you're going to move drugs do it in a insta warp ceptor and concord leave you alone :P



would that prevent the fines as well?
I mean, if i knew i could get into negative credits, or even if the contraband prompt would have been on the purchase of the item instead of on the exit of the station, i would probably not have tried.


Yes, assuming you pay attention and warp fast enough gate to gate customs don't have time to scan your ship.
Doddy
Excidium.
#28 - 2015-11-04 16:37:21 UTC
PhantomMajor wrote:
OP you were flagged by Customs Officers not Concord, in theory you can engage them without Concord getting involved...although I have not tested this yet.

Customs officers move around and can't cover every hi sec entry point from low or null sec...I use a stealth bomber as it has a larger cargo hold than an interceptor


Unless he was in concord sov, then its concord and wtfbbq awaits.
Craticus Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2015-11-04 17:21:14 UTC
personally I think getting caught with such cargo should result in a 15 yr forced stay at the nearest station after which your char gets biomassed...

tis the only way to learn imo Pirate
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#30 - 2015-11-04 17:51:11 UTC
Captain Cynical reporting in



It is my belief that the OP bought ISK, had said ISK removed, and was reduced to a negative wallet balance - the funny and excellent story was for show Lol



But it is a good yarn, may you have many more Bear

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Terrance Amatin
#31 - 2015-11-04 18:13:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Terrance Amatin
Doddy wrote:


You are given a warning about contraband when you pick it up, you are give a warning about contraband in the item description, you are given a warning about contraband in the faction description of whoevers space you are in, simple common sense tells you smuggling contraband has consequences, concord even give you a chance to cut your losse sand ditch the cargo, exactly what are you complaining about? 99% of new players would understand these warnings and leave well alone (there was a mission explaining contraband in the NPE last time i did it, no idea if it is still there), or at least if interested in smuggling find out how to avoid detection before committing the crime.



It was my first run-in with contraband, i have been space-trucking stuff back and forth for quite a while, i was not expecting this acquisition to be any different than the previous ones.

Therefore i didn't really look closely at the attributes of the item in question.

The first warning i got (saw) when was i was going to undock, and as i wrote, i was pretty pot-committed at that point, since i was unaware of the fines etc.

Doddy wrote:


Yes, assuming you pay attention and warp fast enough gate to gate customs don't have time to scan your ship.



Good to know!
Although, my encounter with contraband here was a mistake, so i dont think i'll utilize the knowledge anytime soon.

Doddy wrote:
PhantomMajor wrote:
OP you were flagged by Customs Officers not Concord, in theory you can engage them without Concord getting involved...although I have not tested this yet.

Customs officers move around and can't cover every hi sec entry point from low or null sec...I use a stealth bomber as it has a larger cargo hold than an interceptor


Unless he was in concord sov, then its concord and wtfbbq awaits.


Yep like a lot of you pointed out, i confused concord with the customs.

Bumblefck wrote:
Captain Cynical reporting in



It is my belief that the OP bought ISK, had said ISK removed, and was reduced to a negative wallet balance - the funny and excellent story was for show Lol



But it is a good yarn, may you have many more Bear


Since the screenshot in the OP didn't convince you, what would?
Herzyr
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2015-11-04 18:32:15 UTC
Aw you are no fun, I was expecting the ISK doubling poppycocks.
Netan MalDoran
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#33 - 2015-11-04 21:15:47 UTC
Lord LazyGhost wrote:
moral of the story if you're going to move drugs do it in a insta warp ceptor and concord leave you alone :P


It doesnt matter how fast you warp, they scan you the moment you jump into a system even before you uncloak, its just how lucky you are that customs isnt on a gate. OP, always just click yes, your contraband is NOT handed over, you just lose money and standings but your ship survives.

"Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!

Falcon's truth
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#34 - 2015-11-04 21:31:26 UTC
The OP works as a cautionary tale, for sure. On top of that, it's also a good read.

If I had to make one suggestion, it would be to have it moved. It would be a lot more effective in the New Citizen's forum as far as message is concerned. Stories like this reinforce that it's not just them making major mistakes in this difficult to get a handle on game.

Mr Epeen Cool
Terrance Amatin
#35 - 2015-11-05 15:39:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Terrance Amatin
Netan MalDoran wrote:
Lord LazyGhost wrote:
moral of the story if you're going to move drugs do it in a insta warp ceptor and concord leave you alone :P


It doesnt matter how fast you warp, they scan you the moment you jump into a system even before you uncloak, its just how lucky you are that customs isnt on a gate. OP, always just click yes, your contraband is NOT handed over, you just lose money and standings but your ship survives.



So if i press yes, i get fined and get a standings hit.
As opposed to pressing no like i did, where you get fined, a standings hit, and killed if caught?

those options seem terrible :O
Tank Murdock Jnr
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2015-11-05 18:04:35 UTC
Noblecho4 wrote:
In all fairness no game should require a PHD just to start learning, the mechanics are so obscure that no wonder why we have such a **** retention rate.


Actually, I rather like the fact that playing Eve needs brains and tenacity to survive (far less thrive).

If being difficult to grasp everything immediately means that the real dafties bale out, then this is largely a good thing for those of us that do stick it out. Can you imagine the shenanigans and tears if the game really was populated by idiots?

Actually, wait. Moar idiots, please.

When a person is insane, as you clearly are, do you know that you're insane? Maybe you're just sitting around, reading 'Guns and Ammo', masturbating in your own faeces...do you just stop and go, 'Wow! It is amazing how f*cking crazy I really am!'?
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#37 - 2015-11-05 18:16:13 UTC
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
#38 - 2015-11-05 18:18:21 UTC
Thanks for sharing the story but it's working as intended. Don't ignore prompts in the future.

The CSM XI Election are now open until March 25th, 2016. Consider Niko Lorenzio for CSM XI.

CSM matters, your voice matters, your vote matters!
Netan MalDoran
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2015-11-05 20:20:29 UTC
Terrance Amatin wrote:
Netan MalDoran wrote:
Lord LazyGhost wrote:
moral of the story if you're going to move drugs do it in a insta warp ceptor and concord leave you alone :P


It doesnt matter how fast you warp, they scan you the moment you jump into a system even before you uncloak, its just how lucky you are that customs isnt on a gate. OP, always just click yes, your contraband is NOT handed over, you just lose money and standings but your ship survives.



So if i press yes, i get fined and get a standings hit.
As opposed to pressing no like i did, where you get fined, a standings hit, and killed if caught?

those options seem terrible :O


IKR? This section needs to be drastically redesigned.

"Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!

Falcon's truth
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#40 - 2015-11-05 21:21:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Gorski Car wrote:
Don't do drugs kids

(I know the mechanics for this could be done way better)




Indeed. I read the OP and was surprised. On the one hand, I didn't think smuggling had this much content. On the other hand, smuggling has long been neglected as a mechanic or player profession.

One idea I hoped to see in the past is something implied from Templar One whereby it appeared that Mordus (and others) have private gate networks. CCP has made mention in a recent conference (mentioned in a TMC article) that players may get more opportunity to work with pirate factions in the future. Building enough standing with pirate factions in order to use their gates would be a good boost in the interest of pirate factions, going beyond just grinding LP to sell ships in highsec, and additionally bring smuggling beyond these ham-handed mechanics.

This present state of smuggling is such that a lot of potential Han Solos out there are shorted.


I look forward to smuggling walnuts through Amarr space.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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