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how to get moar pee wee pee?

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#1 - 2012-01-06 19:04:26 UTC
My thoughts and open for discussion!

First, I am a carebear and my idea here comes from a carebears point of view.
I can only speak for me here and the most reason I don't pee wee pee is that most of the encounters I had went very bad for me and always ended in sitting either in my escape pod or waking up in a station were I last put a clone into.
Everytime I wasn't prepared for anything pee wee pee related and the first time I was shot down many years ago I was very pissed loosing my ship because it was expensive (for me).
Story continues that way but sometimes even pirates give you good advice and even tell you what to do and what not do so many thanks for you input here.
Now what means pee wee pee for?
I my case it means, I loose a ship, it modules, isk, maybe even implants, expensive implants that I had to work for, for many many months to come by and so on.
So going out there solo in a not expensive ship would mean not such a hard loss but my experience wouldn't change. It will still be putting a crosshair on me and defeat - even when prepared to loose and properly fitted.
Some may think similar and pee wee pee is just a isk shrink from my point of view.
But at the same time I have to say that no game in the world is so exciting as EVE when it comes to player vs player combat, so why don't we have somewhat similar to the alliance tournament were everybody is invited to participate?
Think of it as an EVE player tournament with some rules and maybe even prices to win, not the same as the alliance tournament but still prices to be won.
The rules could be similar to the alliance tournament but you wont need to be in any alliance to participate and it could place in null sec for those how don't want any security hits.
As for the player tournament day or week the location would have to be either in a nullsec system which is "free to go to" for that day or if the space cannot be a "killfree" zone for that event it can be in highsec but the rules would need to be adjusted be do the actual fighting with the "I steal from you" engagement to not have Concord come and join the party.

There could be a rule that only allows for tech1 frigates for the frigate tournament and up for the cruiser tournament with no faction, officer or whatever mod, only tech1 and tech2 gear but only for tech1 ships (all tiers but no faction/pirate boats).

This tournament could happen on a monthly or quarterly basis and the only thing you loose is what you bring along.
Prices could range from winning back your ship and or modules or a medal of some sort.
Now all the fighting should be solo fighting and maybe round based (?) of some sort, I don't know I haven't planned any event yet so input is liked.
Ground rule anyhow should be that only frigates and cruisers can participate and all fighting is round based 1 vs 1 or 2 vs 2 but no more than two and only in the same ship class, so no frigate and cruiser mixed in each round.
And as said no faction gear, faction ammo or faction ship, is allowed. And the audience is not allowed to intervene.
Now I guess this still one way or another you loose a ship but you know it in advance and you can only loose what you are willing to bring along.
What do you think?

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2012-01-06 19:07:09 UTC
My eyes!!!

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#3 - 2012-01-06 19:12:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
It's "pee vee pee" if you want to be terrible about pronouncing it, by the way. Spelling it "wee" will draw too pany "pee" jokes.

Organized PvP has been generally frowned upon by people in Eve. It would detract too much from the "sandboxy" feel of unorganized PvP. As such, there is no organized PvP now, nor will there likely ever be. Heretic Army used to hold "Frigfry Fridays" in Amamake, where everyone everywhere is invited to come in a frigate and have a day of crazy pew pew, but I don't know if they still do.

Edit: Also, get ready for trolls telling you how terrible you are for suggesting this.

That said, there is a way in game mechanics to limit attendance to T1 frigates only: faction warfare! FW missions and FW complexes both are broadcasted on peoples' overview, so they draw the attention of those who want to shoot things. The lowest tier missions and complexes allow only T1 frigates and destroyers inside. If you want to find frigate PvP, that is a good way to go about it.

That said, those complexes can also be plagued by faction frigates (which are technically T1), and a Rifter stands very little chance against a Daredevil. The best thing I would recommend is joining a FW corporation, and going on roams with them. An extra frigate is always welcome.

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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#4 - 2012-01-06 19:16:17 UTC
Quote:
That said, there is a way in game mechanics to limit attendance to T1 frigates only: faction warfare! FW missions and FW complexes both are broadcasted on peoples' overview, so they draw the attention of those who want to shoot things. The lowest tier missions and complexes allow only T1 frigates and destroyers inside. If you want to find frigate PvP, that is a good way to go about it.


Yeah. The whole dramiel thing kinda makes this pointless
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-01-06 19:16:31 UTC
Is pee wee pee what carebears do when they see a PVP-fitted ship approaching their miner?

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#6 - 2012-01-06 19:18:40 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
Quote:
That said, there is a way in game mechanics to limit attendance to T1 frigates only: faction warfare! FW missions and FW complexes both are broadcasted on peoples' overview, so they draw the attention of those who want to shoot things. The lowest tier missions and complexes allow only T1 frigates and destroyers inside. If you want to find frigate PvP, that is a good way to go about it.


Yeah. The whole dramiel thing kinda makes this pointless


Not unless you have your own faction ship to go with it! Say... a Slicer.

But yeah, for newbies, it can be a bit futile. I have gotten reasonable fights in minor plexes at times, but I have also ganked a Punisher in a Worm. I still feel a little bit bad about that.

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Ira Theos
#7 - 2012-01-06 19:19:11 UTC
Is that where the bad man touched you? Oh, nevermind.
VaMei
Meafi Corp
#8 - 2012-01-06 19:24:30 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
Is pee wee pee what carebears do when they see a PVP-fitted ship approaching their miner?


Aww, you made me ink
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#9 - 2012-01-06 20:04:26 UTC  |  Edited by: elitatwo
My idea behind that was to make this kind of event popular and at the same time make people even like me don't feel so bad when loosing a ship.
I visit the test server for that purpose but fighting and loosing on the test server is not the same as it is on the live server.
You have all those people just wanting to be on whatever killboard and show of that they killed xy ship with 20000 people shooting at it - yeay (or not)
Eight year of EVE online should by now have thought every player that in any case many vs few, many wins. And many vs one many wins everytime in any ship in any place.
If you go out there into the next lowsec system, the next gang of players wait for you and shoot you. I can see no fun in that. My experience won't change a bit, since many vs one = many wins.

I only learn one thing: don't go into lowsec and don't pvp. And if you dare, you loose.
About FW, well you still end up in the same scenarios, many vs many more - many more wins. Few vs one - few win because its a many vs 1 again.
It will still be exciting but only the one hope of maybe getting away from the many vs one combat in the first place.

This will not change my experience and will certainly not change that I don't like loosing a ship too many vs one combat.

And no, I don't fly strip miners

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#10 - 2012-01-06 22:48:14 UTC
elitatwo wrote:

Eight year of EVE online should by now have thought every player that in any case many vs few, many wins. And many vs one many wins everytime in any ship in any place.


I have been playing for 2+ years now as a mostly PvP player and this is patently false. Yes, numbers give you an advantage, but it is not an auto-win button. You can kill above your ship class, above your numbers, etc. with proper planning, skills, and a bit of luck. I also fly frigates and crusiers only, and still manage to have BC and BS kills.

Your experience will change if you actually go PvP and learn how to do it properly. There is no way to do that without losing a lot of ships. Over my two years of play, I have lost over 200 frigates, solo and in gangs, hisec, lowsec, and mostly nullsec. It was a great deal of fun, and all those frigates together likely did not cost over 500 mil.

In PvP, fly cheap, and fly a lot.

An arena won't save you from that. All you'll get instead is flying a ship you don't know how to fly against another guy who knows exactly how to fly his, has a specialized 1v1 fit, and is likely using 1 bil in mods to guarantee his win. You can see this from the 1v1s that exist in places like Rens. Besides, something like that breaks the "sandbox" feel as I've said.

Tournaments can and have been organized and run by players. The new API system could actually be conducive to a cool player-run organized tournament system. I would code it, but I already have too many free-time coding projects.

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