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Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

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Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#101 - 2015-11-03 08:38:00 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Decoy
Anyone that does not care for the game, or really any hobby, should not be playing it. They should go do something they consider fun instead. Doing unfun things for leisure is what would be mentally unstable.

*snip* Off-topic and personal attacks will not be tolerated. ~ ISD Decoy

Threads on fixing wardecs will keep arising because the system is not good. The Devs are so fixated on emergent gameplay rather than real development of EVE as a game that they have not taken the steps yet, but the day will come when playstyles other than predatory pvp are supported, and when that happens this sort of mechanic will change for the better.

You don't get to be the arbiter of what is right or wrong with other people's playstyles.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#102 - 2015-11-03 08:40:55 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:

But wait.. I thought wardecs were a conflict driver, as per your own words?


They are, liar.

They exist to proliferate conflict and drive loss. The mere ability to dock doesn't change that, they're two different things entirely.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#103 - 2015-11-03 08:55:56 UTC
There is that word 'liar' again.

It really does not mean what you think it means. Having an opinion that differs from your own is not telling a lie.

In fact, given the context, having a differing opinion from you is actually adding credibility since your own vitriol is nothing but pure dreck.

You cannot ignore people's motivations for fighting when evaluating aggression. The people getting decced have no motivation to fight, and aspire to do other things in the game.

You are too stuck up your own bung hole to understand that not everyone wants to mindlessly shoot at other people all the time, or else you do understand and it just satisfies your own sickness to prevent them from having fun.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#104 - 2015-11-03 08:59:43 UTC
Mike Voidstar wrote:
There is that word 'liar' again.


Yep.

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It really does not mean what you think it means.


It refers to people who are fundamentally dishonest, like you and Joe have repeatedly proven yourselves to be.


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You cannot ignore people's motivations for fighting when evaluating aggression. The people getting decced have no motivation to fight, and aspire to do other things in the game.


What they "aspire" to do does not matter in literally any way.

If they can't fight for what they "aspire" to, they don't belong in a player corp. That's not me talking, that's CCP themselves.

You don't automatically get something merely because you want it. Suggesting such is the epitome of entitlement.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#105 - 2015-11-03 09:16:11 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
That is the only reason they exist. Because Concord shouldn't, but they have to charge a fee to act as an isk sink.

Do you even understand what you are saying?

Firstly, CONCORD is absolutely necessary. EVE could not exist without it. Not in its current state.

Secondly, the original war declaration system should be enough proof that you do not speak for CCP. The wars were dirt cheap, but you could only have three of them and, like now, you can only declare war against corporations. This is not suggestive of the idea that CCP only uses wars as an ISK sink and actually wants to get rid of CONCORD.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#106 - 2015-11-03 09:19:28 UTC
Felsusguy wrote:

Firstly, CONCORD is absolutely necessary. EVE could not exist without it. Not in its current state.


The only word is lol.

What you think EVE is would not exist without Concord, certainly. But EVE is not a bunch of NPCs babysitting you while you chew on rocks all day. I would not even venture to call such an abomination a game.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#107 - 2015-11-03 09:19:32 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
There is, and it really isn't all that hard.

You just have to play the game with more than half your ass. But I suppose that's asking too much from the kind of people who think that mining afk in an ice belt while watching Netflix is engaging gameplay.



Still waiting on that list of options. You haven't actually listed a single one, just attacked carebears with your usual vapid vitriol.
Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#108 - 2015-11-03 09:33:16 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Felsusguy wrote:

Firstly, CONCORD is absolutely necessary. EVE could not exist without it. Not in its current state.


The only word is lol.

What you think EVE is would not exist without Concord, certainly. But EVE is not a bunch of NPCs babysitting you while you chew on rocks all day. I would not even venture to call such an abomination a game.

Without a safe harbor from which players can catch their footing, EVE would be nothing more than a chaotic mess. Or worse, a place where no one can get anything done without the approval of a major alliance. Either way, EVE would have long ceased to be profitable without CONCORD. You can only create so high a barrier to entry before a game becomes unfeasible.

That isn't to say that there can't be a game like that, but combined with EVE's mechanics I don't think it could work.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.

Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#109 - 2015-11-03 09:37:20 UTC
What he wants would look like battlefield in space.

No industry, just maps and people racking up killboard stats. He is unsuited to the sort of gameplay a MMORPG creates.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#110 - 2015-11-03 10:16:16 UTC
Lol no I havent sold my char kaarous. This is my usual 'its ok to quit if you dont like it. Others will take your place' just not directed at the usual crowd. And thats what would happen. Some deccers will stop, others will adapt and some groups will come back to wardeccing and some groups will start wardeccing. Thats of course assuming the idea gets traction.

What I hope to achieve with the idea has been included in the op, but just again quickly for you, the purpose is to give an incentive and an opportunity to defenders for some direct and concrete counter play to wardecs. Im. aware it does not cater to small or solo war deccers and I dont think it needs to:

- Its a multi player game and if its ok to say that to bears and solo PvPers when they dislike features then its ok to say it to deccers.

- These small/solo deccing groups are the most guilty of deccing corps and then docking up whenever the defenders bring a fight.This idea deliberately punishes that style of dec.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#111 - 2015-11-03 23:08:05 UTC
I have removed some off-topic/personal attack replies and those quoting them. I'm seeing the same names across multiple threads. This is the last time I'll put up with scrubbing this nonsense.

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Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not conductive to the community spirit that CCP promotes. As such, this kind of behavior will not be tolerated.

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Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
#112 - 2015-11-03 23:51:19 UTC
An interesting idea.

I think the WHQ should not be attachable to a Citadel at all. In fact, it should be set up like a ESS - restricted to High Security space and purchasable directly from Concord - expect resales in Jita.

It should also be limited to regional space. ie: you want to war dec a corp you drop the WHQ in FORGE and can only fight them there. You want to take it to another region you drop one in The Citadel (for instance) as well. Destruction of one WHQ prevents legal fire withing that region while destruction of all deployed WHQs invalidates all wars.

You can make it additionally evil and require it to be entosised for 10 minutes to drop a defensive shield and thus alert the owner that it is being destroyed. Should take a couple of cruisers 10 minutes to kill off after that.

Cloaking is the closest thing to a "Pause Game" button one can get while in space.

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