Intergalactic Summit

Ouch. :(

Can't we just be Caldari on here?

Besides, it's not like Tuulinen-haan wouldn't be just fine with having a drink, swapping stories, or showing up in dress uniform to an event.

I provided the list I did to see how you'd react to a range of persons. I was unsurprised by your response. You dodged the point. That said, on the matter of Oniseki-Charantes-haani, while she's by no means a Caldari in the classic mold, she is an eminently capable, dedicated administrator with a forceful personality. She isn't a paragon, no, but she has what matters most of all: capability. Her private life matters not a whit. Your obsession with her private life is unbecoming.

That said, let me put paid to your 'Gallentean ideals of individualism' blather.

I have said before that Caldari should remember that the phrase 'an iron fist in a velvet glove' requires both iron fist and velvet glove. You may've missed that, so let me repeat: both are necessary.

Let's use another analogy, though: portfolio diversification. You're familiar with this method of risk reduction, yes? Weighting investment or development toward a single technology, commodity, service, strategy-- it exposes the investor to excessive and undue risk, which can be easily mitigated by investing in a variety of goods, services, etc., that aren't closely associated. It's why Ishukone Okusaika's subsidiaries include Zainou Biotech, Propel Dynamics, and Caldari Steel, why Kaalakiota has Echelon Entertainment, and so on. Diversified strategies are generally considered superior to focused ones, in that they are more likely to survive changing or unexpected circumstances.

All of the pilots you listed are fighters in the Caldari militia. I'm familiar with many of them, and respect many of them. Jennifer Maxwell in particular I regard as a capable and level-headed pilot. The remainder I respect as well.

However, it remains undiversified.

Were the State purely composed of fighters, were we merely the iron fist, then we'd be worse for it. Caldari Prime remains in majority Caldari hands, instead of a cinder, because Admiral Yanala refused an order from Tibus Heth; Caldari Prime remains in majority Caldari hands, instead of Gallente hands, because Ishukone Okusaika and CEO Mens Reppola provided the velvet glove that allowed us to demilitarize Caldari Prime and retain it.

You see 'Gallentean ideals of individualism,' because not all of us are fighting your pendulum war. I see a diversified portfolio that allows the State to persist and remain productive despite changing circumstances.

I was embarrassingly excited reading that right up to the word "uniform." Then just disappointment....

There are times I read the madwoman's ranting and just go, "Did you seriously just...?"

To all and sundry, I apologize for the minor typo of CEO Mens Reppola's name, and have corrected the error.

As for Kim's ranting, I wonder why I even try. Primary vocation, you frothing madwoman. Maker, even I have done my mandatory service. The whole concept of diversification and varied strategies still applies.

Winds guide her back to sanity some day.

I'd personally put more stock in Priano's word than yours. She offers more than "No, you" arguments, logical Fallacies, and blatant bigotry in her arguments. You on the other hand seem only able to repeat the same tired line, reference your own (already debunked) topics as if they were fact, ignore the posts you can't deny (or parts of the posts), and call people liars while screaming insults at them.


Have fun proving me right.

She never did, so you can stop trolling. She gives only groundless lies and insults, just like your kin.


Because they keep saying same crap and lie, should I really answer on their bullshit differently?
It is obvious she is wrong, and I point out on that so those who might not be very bright won't get deluded by her words.


Debunked where? In your head?
No.


Well, that's something new. Have you tried new minmatar mushroom, or what?


Because they do what?... right, because they spew out lies like last idiots.

They get what they deserve according to their actions.

Yes, and that was the crux of the issue and basis of curiosity for myself. As to whether the anecdotal evidence provided might point to a broader systemic or institutional oppression or if it was just the personal inference of such. Upon the elaborations provided I can only conclude it is the latter. Whilst unfortunate that one may encounter those they consider to be jerks, as you say being jerks isn't oppression in and of itself.

That said, and my conclusions drawn, I am not offended personally if Mr. Egivand holds the personal prejudice that all Gallenteans or everyone in the Federation are oppressive jerks if I am not offended by the opinions of Commander Kim on Gallenteans and the Federation which I might say is in parallel. To each their own as they see fit.

I can certainly empathize to some degree with the sentiments expressed by Mr. Egivand, myself. I have experienced those in the Federation who have been persistent in pushing their view that I should abandon my duties, obligations, and adherence to my beliefs and traditions as a Jin-Mei Saan Go in service to my Overlord. Some have even thought I'm a damsel in distress in need of, "Saving," From my life of service because they are some kind White Knight for social and civil justice. While onerous at times, I am aware that such misunderstandings happen. Especially if they did not grow up in a polity where Jin-Mei live. Which is not unusual.

It's not as I'm not prone to initial misunderstandings or ignorance myself in life. I still remember not understanding the cause of depression of my Sebiestor wingmate I served with in the Navy until she explained that when she was shot down her strike craft was not just a vehicle or a machine but her talisman through the Ohnesh into the Andesh of her ancestors. She felt she could not fly operations because she was no longer protected by the guidance of her spirits and ancestors. Understandably, she had to be taken out of the flight roster until her replacement strike craft was properly blessed by a shaman of her Tribe.

Whilst I may never fully feel or understand her faith and belief as she did, I am still grateful to have met and to have known both her and what she taught me. My life is far richer for the experience.

But then I suppose the misunderstandings of prejudice is what it is to be human. The ability to make rapid judgements and create functional defined stereotypes about our environment and others with set logic is part of human cognition, sapience, and the success of the species. This is why I spoke earlier about the perils of prejudice, stereotype, and confirmation bias earlier in this thread. Set logic thrives on the creation of axioms, and there is always the danger of recursion, paradox, and cognitive dissonance when axiomatic thinking is applied to a complex system such as another human being or the societies human beings create.

It is why I was hardly offended by your earlier vehemence, Ms. Arrendis. Parsing through the IGS it is simple to construct the stereotypical Gallentean effigy required by those who desire one to burn. Ms. Aria Jenneth certainly provided enough material in that regard. Confirmation bias handled all the rest. No doubt defense advocacy is required against one pursuing the ulterior motives of propaganda point scoring. A, Gallentean "Cultural Imperialist," Trying to impress how perfect the Federation is and who cannot countenance any form of dissent - Minmatar or otherwise.

In reality the Federation will always be as flawed as the human beings who comprise it. Which is why my interest was as I said, if there was a substantive cause for concern in broad based systemic and institutional oppression or discrimination directed towards Minmatar in the Federation beyond anecdotal evidence and personal inference of such. I do not at present feel this is the case, although I'm sure individual experiences will always vary.

Tristans suck ass. I hate Tristans. Seem like T1.5 frigs to me.

If I could fit this all into my IGN sig, I would in a heartbeat.