Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Nah Totally. It should be enjoyable which is why I want the deccing system changed as well. But I don't like people who want to system changed entirely so that people can play the game away from everybody else. That would break the idea of EVE.

I've always wanted Highsec to more less function like Sov-Lite. With Faction standing giving out more benifits to those who have them and it being possible to destroy benifits on a wardecers side in order to reset the standings in the system. So somebody else may possibly take it over.

That way the Defenders have something to Defend and the attackers have something to attack. You could even through in Dia's idea of a WarHQ that the defenders could attack in return to end the dec early.

I don't get upset if a corps folds because of a war. It bothers me personally that a corp will repeatedly roll decs. Corps are suppose to mean something. And right now in Highsec they don't. A Wardeccers corp is important because his rep means something to him. To somebody that just wants to mission it doesn't. That what bothers me about it.


EDIT: And Ralph I would just ignore Orca. He is Basil Bumbkin? Alt. Or whatever his name was. You remember him right the dude in the red suit that raged and raged over Wardecs? I swear if it wasn't for this forum he would be trolling Facebook Tribute pages of the dearly departed,

I don't agree with that.

Wardecs have merit within the system.
They provide SOV holding entities with a means to strategically lock other out of HS/tradehubs apart from alts.

It also provides HS entities with a means to settle disputes and/or solve issues.

I have personally use the wardec mechanic to push an entity out of our system, as he kept mining out all the belt with a fleet of bots.
I've also used it to remove a POS from our system, as it wasn't being effectively used and we wanted that parking spot.

Having said that, this doesn't mean the wardec mechanic can't provide something the is engaging for both entities.
It's a video game and much like COD, it's not very fun to play against the guy who yolo facerolls everyone else in free for all, and it's not fun when 2-3 friends team up in free for all to faceroll everyone else. Sure, you can still battle them, but you're less likely to have any effect because the battle in one sided in their favor.


The mechanic needs to not only incentivize PVP but also reward PVP.
The deccer is already rewarded by allowing them to get the kills they wanted. However, they defender is rarely provided with a favorable option, even if they're getting kills, as getting back to PVE is their ultimate goal, to which they're at the whim of the attacker regardless of any activities. They can literally not kill a single ship (the deccer) and still keep the war going for an unlimited amount of time. How can someone keep a war going without even getting involved in the war??
You may say, "Well what's the problem if you're not losing anything?" To which I say, regardless of physical loss, it still effects my production and involvement in my preferred activities.

There's been several comments, and my suggestion has fallen by the wayside since I posted it. I'm going to quote it, not to force it onto everyone, but to show I still support war, but with balanced mechanics.
It might be noted that my suggestion does remove the allies system, which is the bane of wardeccers everywhere.
However, as a counter to that, the system does propose more balanced gameplay as far as overall member numbers to make it potentially more fun, as opposed to someone always being outnumbered...

So, here's a suggestion.

Please read the list and realize, I am not trying to hinder wardecs, but instead make them more engaging and meaningful, thus more fun to the players involved.

These suggestions would hopefully lead to more conflict, thus more loss, and loss that is less one sided. It would help to show carebear corps the value, merit, and fun of PVP outside of HS... As it sits now, they only know pvp as someone else hunting them.

NOOOO..

I am not defending the current wardec mechanics.
I am simply expressind that the wardec system has merit and value within Eve, BUT IT NEEDS BALANCE.

These are examples of cases in which wardecs are a necessary and viable system within New Eden.
My suggestion to change the system provides that balance that is necessary.
It provides some nerfs the hinder the defender's game play.
However, you can't balance the system for the defender without addressing a few concerns for the aggressor, such as the ally mechanic. I mean, the ally mechanic is really broken for both parties, but more specifically to the deccer.

Provided the rest of my proposal is taken, then removing the ally mechanic will help the deccer, without being a severe nerf to the defender.

Like I said, I'm on the side of change to the wardec mechanics, but I'm not gonna sit here and make everything about saving the defenders. The system needs to go both ways.

I'm against that.
removal of the ally mechanic is the best all around option, PROVIDED the new wardec mechanics creates incentive and numbers balance to counteract that loss.


The people that have been commenting that all the deccer entities have had to merge in order to make wardecs more viable.
With what I've suggested, deccers would be best suited to actually reduce their numbers and create groups that are focused on targeting entities with close to the same numbers.
So you'd have 5-10 man deccers that will focus on 5-10 man targets.
50-100 man deccers that will focus on 50-100 man targets.

You'd also still have large dec entities that are focused on deccing SOV entities and other large entities.
If i'm in a 20 vs 20 dec, even if I'm the defender, I'm more likely to attempt to fight as I have a better chance, especially if I have an incentive provided to fight such as the proposed structure.

The ally mechanic is there as a scapegoat to sway unfavorable wardecs.
If the mechanics support wardecs that give some favor to the defender, then there is no need for the ally mechanic.

I'd say the current wardecc system is one of the most important things to improve in order to help EvE grow.

There needs to be a way for newbies and carebears to play the game and conduct business without being confined to the limiting environment of NPC corps in order to stay safe from wardecc trolls. At the same time I realise there needs to be a way to oust competition from occupied high sec systems, but the current wardecc system doesn't really cater much to that spesific usage, nor does the bounty system though it's a nice ISK sink for CCP.

True, a large part of the appeal of EvE is exactly that high sec isn't safe, but sitting AFK in a station for a week, or having to bail corp every other day - it's just no fun. It's no fun to not be able to build things with friends in an NPC corp either. In short, being constantly wardecced is a thing that keeps the more peaceful, building and carebeary type away from this game. The same can be said of high sec ganking corps just doing it for the tears. That needs to change if CCP wants more players, or even player retention.

"Well, fight back, then" is an often used counter against arguments like these, but it doesn't really work for the guys being wardecced, and especially not for those who simply don't want to fight. People don't join EvE to have "fun fights during a wardecc" a.k.a. newbies and carebears being plugged in the hiny by half AFK high sec gate camps, or vastly superiour players hunting them down to destroy everything they built. They join EvE because there is risk vs. reward, and because they have the chance to make a corpration and build it whichever way they want, possibly to prepare to go into the more dangerous places - or not at all if they so choose. There are many places for PvP in EVE, first of all null sec, but also low sec, fw and wh. Going there have benefits you don't get in high sec, but in order to stay there you also have to know how to fight. The problem is that not all players want to fight (though once you learn how, it's clearly the most rewarding aspect of the game). I think the sooner CCP realises that, the better for EvE.

Well that's, like, your opinion, dude. It is restrictive for those who want to build something that is their own together with their friends. In NPC corps you don't get to choose who you share corp with.


LOL you seem pre-emptively bitter that you don't get to shoot defenceless carebears. No. The best way to dodge tax is to start your own corp. But yeah, eliminating some of the risk in high sec may actually be the way to go to get more players to EvE and to keep whiny carebears in the game. I know you love/hate it when they whine, but we also need them, lest it wouldn't be possible to work full time with PVP. (I too have mined in HS once, and it was horrible.)


See above statement about ownership and who you can choose for corpies, etc. It's not about the tax either. It's about being able to play the game in peace while still owning your own sheit and not having to play the non-consensual pew thing every other week. I mean, don't get me wrong. I love pew, though I also acknowledge that some people don't, and that kind of player tend to stay in high sec.


It is not. They're not in the game for a reason, and they don't answer the polls because they stopped playing and/or are bitter. And even if it's true, it still doesn't invalidate the above criticism; that staying docked for a week is boring, and that newbros don't really have the option to fight back against well prepared wardeccer trolls. It would be a whole 'nother story if they got to prepare properly and then go into null or low to fcuk sheit up. With the current system they're prevented from doing that, and that also prevents growth.

Huge taxes, no structures, no corp hangars, no corp standings... i mean, name a single pve activity which can be done without those?
Mining takes compression arrays or bust.
Industry takes manufacturing and lab pos or bust.
Mission running takes no tax or somewhat bust (arguable but hey, it's still more than 5 mil per hour, which is a lot more than wardec cost per hour).
Exploration takes corp bookmarks or bust.

"Not restrictive" (c) Kaarous the moron 2015.



The only part that it confirms is that CCP Rise has failed.

Wrong.. A lie.. Falsity... Bad narrative... Swaying CCP's comments for your own self-interests.



CCP did NOT say that pvp content is the best driver for positive retention.

The comment here, to which you quoted, doesn't not even remotely imply nor flat out say that PVP is the best driver for retention.

He specifically says that SOCIAL ACTIVITIES are the drivers for player retention TO INCLUDE pvp.

I personally don't know how you pulled your statement out of his mouth, unless you are intentionally misrepresenting his remarks.

Now, he DID state that there are 0 direct correlations between GANKING and reduced retention.

Wardecs are NOT considered ganking.
That statement also DOES NOT, and CCP HAS NOT derived any correlation between non-consensual wardecs and player retention.

SO, your claims that they help player retention are COMPLETELY false and are false narrative driven to support your own cause.

As much as I hate to, I'm going to go ahead and agree with Kaarous on this point.

Yes, NPC corps are more restrictive than player corps, but not to the tune at which you (Orca Platypus) claim.

I, and many other have, will, and continue to suffice perfectly fine while performing PVE content while in an NPC corp..

Incursions do still payout over 30 mil per site, which takes 20 minutes MAX.
At an 11% tax, that's still a minimum payout of 26.7 mil every 20 minutes or less.

Living in an NPC corp is perfectly viable, even if restrictive and/or undesirable by anyone, to include CCP.

I've watched the video. He did not specify wardecs and non-consensual and they weren't even brought up in his remarks.